hyporational comments on Rationalists Are Less Credulous But Better At Taking Ideas Seriously - Less Wrong

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Comment author: hyporational 29 January 2014 04:19:48PM *  1 point [-]

Opportunity costs only seem to make sense in terms of their effect on our current conscious experience.

Are you sure the problem isn't unusual use of language?

Is there some way you know of to experience value in things outside of here and now?

I meditate regularly, I know what you mean and the answer to the meaning of your question is no. I also think this kind of a question with this particular intended meaning is abuse of language, and insisting on using common language to describe the insights you've gained through meditation mostly yields nonsense. When people say future they mean future, not the present moment and if you insist otherwise you lose information.

I value things not here and now all the time. They're just not yet here and now and don't necessarily have to ever be.

Comment author: Brillyant 29 January 2014 04:40:46PM 0 points [-]

Are you sure the problem isn't unusual use of language?

Please say more about this.

I value things not here and now all the time. They're just not yet here and now and don't necessarily have to ever be.

I don't understand. When is it that you find value in them? In what way can you experience anything, in the future or the past, outside of the present moment? Can you "value" something without "experiencing" it? If so, how do you define the distinction?

Comment author: hyporational 29 January 2014 04:57:46PM 0 points [-]

Please say more about this.

I'll do so tomorrow with a fresh brain. I find my chances of communicating anything useful poor though. Specialized vocabulary would be nice. I suppose mindful religions have that, too bad it's buried in religious scripture.