jkaufman comments on Decision Auctions aka "How to fairly assign chores, or decide who gets the last cookie" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jkaufman 21 January 2014 09:40:12PM 4 points [-]

Once you have a bot to run it, can't you drop the 10% chance of 10x bit and just transfer money every time?

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 21 January 2014 09:43:35PM 5 points [-]

Or just have one piece of paper, and write the transactions there.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 January 2014 09:46:26PM 2 points [-]

The bot doesn't run the money transfer. It runs the auction (collects bids from everybody, displays bids when all have been collected), and runs a random number generator.

We have also used the same bot to play a Schelling Point Game, where someone names a category (eg "a book") instead of a thing to auction, and we all make a guess (e.g "Strategy of Conflict" or "The Bible") instead of a bid. You get a point if your guess is the same as someone else's.

Comment author: jkaufman 21 January 2014 10:24:56PM 11 points [-]

The bot could keep track of who owes what, and then you could settle monthly or something. Easier than adding money transfer.

Comment author: dreeves 22 January 2014 07:25:00AM 2 points [-]

Agreed, we just haven't gotten to that yet. The auctioneer chatroom bot is pretty new.

Comment author: NoahTheDuke 22 January 2014 03:33:02AM 1 point [-]

I'd love to hear more about the bot. How does it work? Where is it run? Can others access it too?

Comment author: [deleted] 22 January 2014 03:48:27AM *  5 points [-]

I don't speak Computer, but this is the bot: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot

We use him in a company hipchat room, and I don't know if he has been altered/reprogrammed in any way to run auctions.

Comment author: dreeves 22 January 2014 07:27:46AM 2 points [-]

Specifically, here's the little add-on for Loqi that conducts auctions: https://github.com/aaronpk/zenircbot-bid

Comment author: Vaniver 22 January 2014 08:47:32PM 1 point [-]

The chance of paying 10x also seems like it constrains the bids to less than a tenth of where people start to lose risk neutrality- in order to bid $100, you need to be willing to pay up to $1000!

Comment author: jkaufman 22 January 2014 09:58:56PM 2 points [-]

Alternatively it trains you to be more risk neutral.

Comment author: Vaniver 22 January 2014 10:07:22PM 1 point [-]

Alternatively it trains you to be more risk neutral.

I'm assuming that the individuals have divided their funds into "risk neutral" and "risk averse" in a discrete way, rather than with a continuous utility function. This makes sense when there's a clear discretionary / non-discretionary split; I can easily adjust my entertainment budget this month to compensate for losing $100, but I might not be able to easily adjust my rent budget to compensate for losing $1000.

If people don't have any funds they consider risk-neutral, then I think that doing some sort of gambling to develop the psychological skill of risk neutrality is important, but I doubt this is the optimal way to do that training.