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Comment author: lukeprog 28 January 2014 06:09:04PM 15 points [-]

Robin Hanson on Facebook:

Academic futurism has low status. This causes people interested in futurism to ignore those academics and instead listen to people who talk about futurism after gaining high status via focusing on other topics. As a result, the people who are listened to on the future tend to be amateurs, not specialists. And this is why "we" know a lot less about the future than we could.

Consider the case of Willard Wells and his Springer-published book Apocalypse When?: Calculating How Long the Human Race Will Survive (2009). From a UCSD news story about a talk Wells gave about the book:

Larry Carter, a UCSD emeritus professor of computer science, didn’t mince words. The first time he heard about Wells’s theories, he thought, “Oh my God, is this guy a crackpot?”

But persuaded by Well’s credentials, which include a PhD from Caltech in math and theoretical physics, a career that led him L-3 Photonics and the Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and an invention under his belt, Carter gave the ideas a chance. And was intrigued.

For a taste of the book, here is Wells' description of one specific risk:

When advanced robots arrive... the serious threat [will be] human hackers. They may deliberately breed a hostile strain of androids, which then infects normal ones with its virus. To do this, the hackers must obtain a genetic algorithm and pervert it, probably early in the robotic age before safeguards become sophisticated... Excluding hackers, it seems unlikely that androids will turn against us as they do in some movies... computer code for hostility is too complex... In the very long term, androids will become conscious for the same reasons humans did, whatever those reasons may be... In summary, the androids have powerful instincts to nurture humans, but these instincts will be unencumbered by concerns for human rights. Androids will feel free to impose a harsh discipline that saves us from ourselves while violating many of our so-called human rights.

Now, despite Larry Carter's being "persuaded by Wells' credentials" — which might have been exaggerated or made-up by the journalist, I don't know — I suspect very few people have taken Wells seriously, for good reason. He's clearly just making stuff up, with almost no study of the issue whatsoever. (On this topic, the only people he cites are Joy, Kurzweil, and Posner, despite the book being published in 2009.)

But reading that passage did drive home again what it must be like for most people to read FHI or MIRI on AI risk, or Robin Hanson on ems. They probably can't tell the difference between someone who is making stuff up and an argument that has gone through a gauntlet of 15 years of heated debate and both theoretical and empirical research.

Comment author: James_Miller 28 January 2014 08:02:59PM 2 points [-]

Yes, I'm an academic and I get a similar reaction from telling people I study the Singularity as when I say I've signed up for cryonics. Thankfully, I have tenure.

Comment author: Halfwitz 29 January 2014 01:32:38AM 1 point [-]

What happens when you say, "I study the economic implications of advanced artificial inteligence," to people?

Comment author: James_Miller 29 January 2014 04:52:11AM 0 points [-]

I don't phrase it this way.

Comment author: Randy_M 29 January 2014 08:35:49PM 0 points [-]

Do you actually say you "study the singularity" or give a more in depth explanation? I ask because the word study is usually used only in reference to things that do or have exisited, rather than to speculative future events.

Comment author: James_Miller 29 January 2014 09:18:30PM 0 points [-]

I go into more depth, especially when I (unsuccessfully) came up for promotion for full professor.