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Comment author: shminux 07 February 2014 04:13:54PM *  1 point [-]

Laws of physics are not some deep mysterious algorithms built into the universe when it was created, they are human approximations of the infinite complexity we observe. As long as the universe is at least somewhat predictable and not completely random, it is possible to construct a series of increasingly accurate ways to predict its behavior. If the universe included predictable dragons after half a second, these approximations would, too. In fact, the Navier Stokes equations happen to describe so many dragons, there is still an open Millennium problem related to them. If the dragons appear unpredictably... well, then, it's just like the universe we already live in, where the unpredictability is everywhere (if you doubt that, please tell me the results of tomorrow's lottery).

So no, our universe is not particularly simple. It's mostly, to quote a historian, "one damned thing after another".

Comment author: roystgnr 07 February 2014 11:27:55PM 1 point [-]

What would you say the complexity of our laws of physics is? Feel free to choose your own definition of complexity and give no better than a back-of-napkin estimate.

Comment author: shminux 08 February 2014 12:34:09AM 1 point [-]

I suppose you can estimate the complexity of a particular approximate equation as the number of bit required to simulate it in a particular setup. I did something like that for the Schrodinger equation here a couple of years ago, frustrated by Eliezer's empty theorizing, but I cannot find my comment anymore. Anyway, it was basically the length of the computer code which simulates the equation, so not that large, maybe tens or hundreds of kilobytes. You have to keep adding other codes to describe the necessary math and physics, and pretty soon you have to count a large chunk of the scientific and engineering software required to simulate the physical phenomena and engineering machinery, with a multitude of special cases for special dragons. And we still cannot simulate everything we see.