Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes February 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 14 February 2014 05:25:42PM 1 point [-]

Many people, in my experience, seem to think that everyone ought to have an opinion on every subject presented them, as if developing reasonable opinions were something that did not take significant amounts of information or effort.

Such people typically do not require an opinion to be reasonable :-D

Comment author: Mestroyer 14 February 2014 06:24:45PM 10 points [-]

In my government class in high school, we had to do an exercise that involved saying which side we were on for several standard political issues.

I remember thinking: "Fuck, I don't have an opinion on gun control!" But there was no scale 1-5 strongly agree to strongly disagree. It was just, "which side are you on?" I even complained to the teacher and she said "Just pick one. You have to have some opinion." Then we had to argue for our positions with the other students at our table.

Basically, "come up with an opinion. Any opinion is fine, just make sure it suits your personality. Then act like you believe it strongly enough to argue for it. Huzzah commitment bias. Make it part of your identity by comparing yourself to your neighbors. No time/internet access will be given during this assignment to do any research."

I ended up arguing for gun control, my (explicit) reasoning internally was "this is the liberal position. When I think about liberals, I think of my parents who are relatively reasonable, when I think of conservatives I think of [the conservatives my parents point out and make fun of] who are crazy. So more likely, the liberals are right."

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 21 February 2014 10:52:40PM 6 points [-]

This is like an exercise in anti-rationality, but I bet most people would think it is a good thing.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 21 February 2014 11:03:45PM 3 points [-]

Politics appears to be all about choosing a fixed position and coming up with whatever aguments may support them, which is the exact inverse of what rational debate should be.

Comment author: Mestroyer 21 February 2014 11:12:28PM 5 points [-]

I would be even less charitable. Politics is mainly about memorizing arguments for your position someone else came up with, presenting them well, and making them sound like responses to your opponents' memorized arguments, and strategically emphasizing the more moderate aspects of your position (if not plainly lying about the less moderate aspects) to appeal to the median voter.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 21 February 2014 11:20:15PM *  0 points [-]

When I studied business management, I always felt revulsion toward my marketing courses. Now my cousin has just finished a post-graduate degree in "political marketing," which drives my revulsion to critical mass.