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34 Post author: Qiaochu_Yuan 18 February 2014 06:41PM

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Comment author: Error 19 February 2014 05:07:47PM 2 points [-]

IMO, this misses the causes of Qiaochu's subsequent shifts: the thing he describes getting is the thing we're aiming for

I stand corrected. Thanks. The programming analogy helps; I'm in IT and I'm familiar with the phenomenon you describe.

Qiaochu Yuan noted in the post that he's a local, and had regular post-workshop meatspace contact with CFAR personnel. It would be interesting to compare his experience to those who travel in from out of town.

and that also involves the general system 1 expectation that problems are soluble, that difficult or magical-looking skills are secretly made up of simple components

This is a wonderful description of something I usually take for granted, and sometimes get incredibly confused by people who don't. It feels like a natural counterpart to the thought pjeby expressed in this post.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 February 2014 08:22:39PM 6 points [-]

I came in from out of town for the April 2013 workshop on a partial scholarship, and since then haven't been in touch with the community, apart from the six follow-up chats with an instructor. I don't know about the typical out-of-town experience -- I was a little underwhelmed leaving the workshop, largely because I felt I'd already made much of the shift that Anna and Qiaochu describe and things were already going very well for me. (Those two points are related -- I agree that making that shift is really valuable. I can also believe that the workshops effect it in some people.)

I think that in the longer term, there was still a lot of value in taking a lot of ideas and ways of thinking that were floating around unconnected in my head, and putting them all under a more accessible and salient "CFAR" umbrella. It's hard to quantify that effect relative to where I might have been without the workshop, but I still feel good about it 10 months out.