chaosmage comments on Open Thread for February 18-24 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Brillyant 19 February 2014 05:37:52PM 18 points [-]

I've lost 30 pounds since September 17th, 2013*. Interestingly, I've noticed doing so caused me to lose a lot of faith in LW.

In the midst of my diet, discussion in the comments on this series of posts confounded me. I'm no expert on nutrition or dieting(I do know perhaps more than the average person), but my sense is that I encountered a higher noise-to-signal ratio on the subject here at LW than anywhere else I've looked. There seemed to be all sorts of discussion about everything other than the simple math behind weight loss. Lots of super fascinating stuff—but much of it missing the point, I thought.

I learned a few interesting things during the discussion—which I always seem to do here. But in terms of providing a boost to my instrumental rationality, it didn't help at all. In fact, it's possible LW had a negative impact on my ability to win at dieting and weight management.

I notice this got me wondering about LW's views and discussions about many other things that I know very little about. I feel myself asking "How could I rationally believe LW knows what they are talking about in regard to the Singularity, UFAI, etc. if they seem to spin their wheels so badly on a discussion about something as simple as weight loss?"

I'm interested to hear others' thoughts on this.

Have you ever lost confidence in LW after a similar experience? Maybe something where it seemed to you people were "talking a big game" but failing to apply any of that to actually win in real life?

(*Note: To be clear, I've lost 30 pounds since Sept 17th, but only ~15-18 lbs since my "diet" began on Jan 1, 2014. I'm not really bragging about losing weight—I wish it weren't the case. I injured my neck and could no longer use my primary method of exercise (weightlifting) to stay in shape. After eating poorly and lying around for a couple months, I started—on Jan 1—to do consistent, light treadmill work & light core work, as well as cutting my calorie consumption pretty dramatically.)

Comment author: chaosmage 20 February 2014 12:16:31PM 3 points [-]

Since your injury was in the neck (generally highly enervated tissue) and it was serious enough to forbid weightlifting, I assume it was quite painful. What painkillers did you take?

This is relevant because many painkillers (including Tramadol, a standard medication for herniated disks) greatly reduce appetite, and the after-effects can linger for weeks after you stop taking them.

Comment author: Brillyant 20 February 2014 02:29:29PM 1 point [-]

Aleve & Advil. No painkillers.

Comment author: chaosmage 20 February 2014 03:06:05PM *  2 points [-]

Both are pain medications, specifically non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, which upset the gastrointestinal tract and are known to cause appetite loss.

I'm not saying you didn't make an effort, but that you had help you were not aware of.

Comment author: hyporational 20 February 2014 03:16:32PM *  1 point [-]

There's a risk of those side effects. That doesn't mean they're caused reliably enough for you to make the conclusion he definitely had help. Lists of side effects don't mean much without probabilities.

If they're caused reliably and you can provide the data I'm interested.

Comment author: chaosmage 20 February 2014 04:08:20PM 0 points [-]

I don't have probabilities: Appetite loss does not (usually) require intervention, so it is not considered an adverse drug reaction and will generally not need to be listed.

But it is reasonable the fairly mild effect of appetite loss will occur more often the serious gastrointestinal problems that the first link describes as the main group of adverse drug reactions of this group of substances.