Creutzer comments on A self-experiment in training "noticing confusion" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: WingedViper 23 February 2014 10:36:37AM 1 point [-]

I have a (kind of) meta question: What's up with the "zir" and "zirself" in the text? I've never heard/read that word before and from context I'd infer that it should be "their" and "themselves". Would you clear that up?

Comment author: Creutzer 23 February 2014 11:27:41AM 5 points [-]

"ze/zir/zirself" is an artificial gender-neutral third person singular pronoun.

Comment author: WingedViper 23 February 2014 11:30:48AM *  1 point [-]

Thanks for clearing that up. That was my guess, I was just confused that it suddenly popped up without me ever having heard about it. Is it popular/well-known? When I googled it, there were no hits for an explanation.

Comment author: Creutzer 23 February 2014 12:07:04PM *  2 points [-]

I don't know, I've only ever seen it here and on Yvain's blog. Ironically, it doesn't really work for me as far as disrupting intuitive connections and depictions is concerned because it sounds pretty much like the German third person singular feminine pronoun. ;-)

Comment author: fubarobfusco 23 February 2014 04:29:44PM 2 points [-]

For more explanation, see Wikipedia.

Comment author: Thecommexokid 23 August 2014 05:56:09PM 0 points [-]

While there have been many attempts at a set of such pronouns and none ever became standard, this is the set I see by far most commonly. Several non-gender-binary-identifying people I know use ze/zir/zirs as their preferred pronouns. They definitely crop up in many more places than just here and SlateStarCodex, as someone else replied, but it tends to be mostly in communities that have a particular focus on gender identity.