Eugine_Nier comments on Self-Congratulatory Rationalism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 30 April 2014 06:28:23AM 0 points [-]

A definition of "rational argument" that explicitly referred to "reality" would be a lot less useful, since checking which arguments are rational is one of the steps in figuring what' real.

Comment author: Lumifer 30 April 2014 02:41:33PM 0 points [-]

checking which arguments are rational is one of the steps in figuring what' real

I am not sure this is (necessarily) the case, can you unroll?

Generally speaking, arguments live in the map and, in particular, in high-level maps which involve abstract concepts and reasoning. If I check the reality of the stone by kicking it and seeing if my toe hurts, no arguments are involved. And from the other side, classical logic is very much part of "rational arguments" and yet needs not correspond to reality.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 01 May 2014 04:03:53AM *  1 point [-]

If I check the reality of the stone by kicking it and seeing if my toe hurts, no arguments are involved.

That tends to work less well for things that one can't directly observe, e.g., how old is the universe, or things where there is confounding noise, e.g., does this drug help.

Comment author: Lumifer 01 May 2014 03:00:54PM 0 points [-]

That was a counterexample, not a general theory of cognition...