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Comment author: satt 29 August 2015 12:06:11PM 1 point [-]

Then "cogent" was probably the wrong word to use.

TheAncientGeek assented to that choice of word, so I stuck with it. His conception of the POC might well be different from yours and everyone else's (which is a reason I'm trying to pin down precisely what TheAncientGeek means).

Okay, I appear to have been using a different definition (see definition two).

Fair enough, I was checking different dictionaries (and I've hitherto never noticed other people using "cogent" for "pertinent").

Then you may very well be effectively applying the principle already. Looking at your reply to RomeoStevens supports this assertion.

Maybe, though I'm confused here by TheAncientGeek saying in one breath that I applied the POC to RomeoStevens, but then agreeing ("Thats exactly what I mean.") in the next breath with a definition of the POC that implies I didn't apply the POC to RomeoStevens.

Comment author: CCC 31 August 2015 09:18:07AM 1 point [-]

I think that you and I are almost entirely in agreement, then. (Not sure about TheAncientGeek).

Maybe, though I'm confused here by TheAncientGeek saying in one breath that I applied the POC to RomeoStevens, but then agreeing ("Thats exactly what I mean.") in the next breath with a definition of the POC that implies I didn't apply the POC to RomeoStevens.

I think you're dealing with double-illusion-of-transparency issues here. He gave you a definition ("treat everyone's comments as though they were made by someone sane and intelligent at the time") by which he meant some very specific concept which he best approximated by that phrase (call this Concept A). You then considered this phrase, and mapped it to a similar-but-not-the-same concept (Concept B) which you defined and tried to point out a shortcoming in ("namely, noticing and throwing away any initial suspicion I have that a comment's wrong, and then forcing myself to pretend the comment must be correct in some obscure way.").

Now, TheAncientGeek is looking at your words (describing Concept B) and reading into them the very similar Concept A; where your post in response to RomeoStevens satisfies Concept A but not Concept B.

Nailing down the difference between A and B will be extremely tricky and will probably require both of you to describe your concepts in different words several times. (The English language is a remarkably lossy means of communication).

Comment author: satt 31 August 2015 01:10:52PM 0 points [-]

Your diagnosis sounds all too likely. I'd hoped to minimize the risk of this kind of thing by concretizing and focusing on a specific, publicly-observable example, but that might not have helped.