IlyaShpitser comments on Is IQ what we actually need to know? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 26 February 2014 03:57:57PM *  4 points [-]

Ugh, can we taboo "smarter" please. Are we just playing with status markers? Can't we just go do awesome things instead? If people start faking that, well "mission fucking accomplished," as xkcd put it.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 27 February 2014 01:32:44AM *  -2 points [-]

It's not as hard as it seems, is making cancer go away with the power of prayer awesome enough for you?

Comment author: AlexSchell 28 February 2014 07:14:14PM -1 points [-]

Much of concern with IQ seems to be about status, or more generally is purely about evaluating people without a stated purpose of the evaluation. Is your suggestion to just evaluate people based on awesome accomplishments just your way of playing along with this game, trying to divert status from IQ to accomplishments? If not, the usefulness of your proposal likely depends a lot on the purpose for which we're ranking people: if you want to predict future performance in domain X, then past performance in domain X might well be superior to IQ; but to predict future performance in a different domain Y, IQ is probably still the best bet.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 28 February 2014 07:20:07PM *  3 points [-]

I predict that, ceteris paribus, people who just go do things will outperform people who talk about IQ all day. :)


Based on a diversity of high functioning folks I have seen, I think single parameter models are a hopeless waste of time.

Comment author: Vaniver 28 February 2014 07:28:55PM *  1 point [-]

I predict that, ceteris paribus, people who just go do things will outperform people who talk about IQ all day. :)

All day, sure- the trope of Mensa underachievers is based in reality. But people who did some very awesome things reserved some time for IQ, and I think avoiding talk of IQ in order to avoid the low-status of Mensa is as silly as talking about IQ because of the high-status of intelligence.

Based on a diversity of high functioning folks I have seen, I think single parameter models are a hopeless waste of time.

This isn't the right comparison, though- the question isn't diversity among high-functioning folks, but the difference between high-functioning and low-functioning folks. (Now, social skills, energy, and so on are important parameters that a more complete model would have- but that doesn't mean single parameter models aren't worth the time they take to populate.)