Eugine_Nier comments on Is IQ what we actually need to know? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 27 February 2014 04:56:35AM -1 points [-]

I'm not familiar with any charlatans or scammers being successful by pretending to be smarter than they were. People pretending to be smarter than they are, are usually pretty transparent.

They are if you're smarter then they really are.

I suspect this is just availability bias, though, do you have any examples in mind?

Well, there's Yvain's tale of how he was almost convinced by Velikovsky's pseudohistory.

Comment author: byrnema 27 February 2014 05:25:29AM *  0 points [-]

It seems you are using 'seeming smart' as interchangeable with 'convincing' or 'persuasive'?

However, these are quite independent. Someone can easily convince me of something, without my thinking they are more intelligent than I am, and without convincing me that they are more intelligent than they are.

Consider a 'smooth talker'. I think people generally recognize that these smooth-talkers are more likable and persuasive on any topic, but there is no necessary correlation with having a higher IQ. In fiction, there are extreme examples like Forest Gump (low IQ, very smooth) and innumerable moderate examples like Peter Venkman in Ghostbusters. Whereas intelligent characters are often portrayed, though not always, as not very persuasive.

...Smooth-talkers and scammers will often break-down defenses by signaling equal intelligence when they actually have higher intelligence.

In the example you gave, how do we know Velikovsky wasn't very intelligent? (We do know he had the ability to write very well, to make a false history seem true.) My question isn't that he is or wasn't intelligent, but whether his deception of Yvain was due to Yvain over-estimating his intelligence.

..Can you think of an example (a fictional one might be easiest) where a deception (or even any conflict) was actually about someone overestimating someone's intelligence?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 27 February 2014 05:49:33AM -1 points [-]

Can you think of an example (a fictional one might be easiest) where a deception (or even any conflict) was actually about someone overestimating someone's intelligence?

Well, there are entire tropes about this.

Comment author: byrnema 27 February 2014 06:06:01AM *  1 point [-]

I though the cartoon was a good example. The tiger convinced the boy that he was smarter than he actually was, with smooth talking.