terasinube comments on Rational Evangelism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 26 February 2014 08:01:48PM 0 points [-]

So, what would a rational story be about?

HPMOR is a good rational story.

Health and Happiness sound like good bets.

I think a rational story in which the protagonist uses CBT from The Feeling Good Handbook to become happy and end his depression, would be a good project.

I don't think it's an easy project but there a possibility for high impact. In case anybody feels the call for writing that story and wants help with getting the narrative right, I would be happy to do it as a joint project or just advice.

It should incorporate elements described by religious mysticism, stuff like Love, Joy, Strength, Peace, Trust, etc. It should position itself to the current effort to find common ground... like the Charter for Compassion. It should be about a long journey of discovering the power of love.

The problem is that a lot of the people in this community don't like the idea of emotions let alone deep ones like love. This community would have to shift quite a bit.

Dave Chapman's article going down on the phenomenon illustrates an ideal of love for science that I consider worthy of being spread.

Getting the narrative right to make that ideal of love is acceptable to the average LW person is a hard task.

Comment author: terasinube 28 February 2014 04:28:32PM 0 points [-]

Well... it depends on what you point at.

Love, as I view it is not something that can be easily defined. To me it's a way of being into this world. This video describes it.

As for emotions... why would anyone dislike the joy of figuring things out? the post flow feeling of accomplishment? They are wired into our positive reinforcement system and as long as the thing they are reinforcing is a thing worth investing in, why not let nature run its course?

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 March 2014 08:34:39PM *  2 points [-]

Love, as I view it is not something that can be easily defined.

That just means that you don't have a well defined concept of the term you are speaking about. I would guess the same is true for most Lesswrongers for most emotions.

But as far as your link goes, I would predict that most people on LW won't be receptive to that kind of talk. I would be very surprised to be proven wrong.

As for emotions... why would anyone dislike the joy of figuring things out? the post flow feeling of accomplishment?

If you want a fancy answer: Second-order cybernetics.

A simple answer would be because you can't feel a strong emotion while wearing a mask. It requires you to give up control and get out of your head. I mean something specific with the phrase "get out of your head", but I would guess that a good portion of LW don't know exactly what I'm talking about and I know of no way to make it clear via this medium.

I could probably come up with a bunch of more reasons if I would invest time.

Comment author: terasinube 02 March 2014 05:46:24PM 0 points [-]

That just means that you don't have a well defined concept of the term you are speaking about. I would guess the same is true for most Lesswrongers for most emotions.

Good point. It made me realise that I haven't investigated this more seriously lately.