James_Miller comments on Link: Poking the Bear (Podcast) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 27 February 2014 05:39:02PM *  4 points [-]

Ah, I see, given these estimates, I can understand why this does not look like a Pascal's wager to you. It seems to me that the odds look so grave to you because you gloss over several steps during this potential escalation. For example, "Russians intervening militarily" could be anything from posturing to weapon shipments to a surgical strike to a Czechoslovakia-style tank-roll or Afghanistan invasion. My guess that the odds of the latter is below 5%, as it has not happened since (Chechnya was the closest case and that was a Russian territory actively hostile to Moscow). Similarly for every other case. Note that the scenario you describe (Soviets invading and losing) happened in a much more tense atmosphere in Afghanistan, and there isn't even a hint of the Soviet leaders at the time seriously considering nuclear escalation. So, the historical reference classes do not seem to bear out your estimates.

Comment author: James_Miller 27 February 2014 05:49:32PM 13 points [-]

I will bet you $20 U.S. (mine) vs $100 (yours) that Russian tanks will be involved in combat in the Ukraine within 60 days. So in 60 days I will pay you $20 if I lose the bet, but you pay me $100 if I win. Agreed?

Comment author: solipsist 28 February 2014 05:51:38AM 3 points [-]

I'll agree to those terms. I'd also take a 1/5th chance of $100 in lieu of $20 (e.g. you pay $100 if no Russian tanks have been involved in combat in the Ukraine by April 28th and the first digit after the decimal of the S&P 500 is a 0 or 5 at close that day).

Comment author: James_Miller 28 February 2014 03:27:27PM 3 points [-]

Agreed with the following two clarifications. (1) By first digit I assume we mean to the left of the decimal point so if the S&P 500 is 1864.33 at close the first digit is a 4 and (2) and by Russian tanks we mean tanks operated by Russian troops not a tank built in Russia.

Comment author: wwa 28 February 2014 11:54:28PM 1 point [-]

You guys left one possible loophole: Does "tanks will be involved in combat" mean actually firing shells?

Comment author: James_Miller 01 March 2014 12:30:14AM 1 point [-]

I would say "no" but there does have to be fighting because of the word "combat".

Comment author: James_Miller 29 April 2014 12:03:26AM 2 points [-]

I think it's a tie since tanks were not involved in combat (although they did invade) but the S&P 500 Index closed at 1,869.43 on April 28th.

Comment author: solipsist 29 April 2014 02:35:02AM 1 point [-]

Agreed. In retrospect, I think I was a little bit overconfident.

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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 27 February 2014 07:46:58PM 3 points [-]

How do you define Ukraine? Does it include the Crimean peninsula?

Comment author: James_Miller 27 February 2014 08:23:23PM 2 points [-]

Yes, everything currently considered part of the country Ukraine.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 15 April 2014 09:55:22PM 1 point [-]

Looks like a hot war in the Ukraine is starting.

Comment author: James_Miller 16 April 2014 12:50:12AM -1 points [-]

Even worse, Russia might be planning to attack a NATO country.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 28 February 2014 11:45:18PM *  1 point [-]

http://jalopnik.com/this-helicopter-armada-in-ukraine-is-absolutely-terrify-1533287720

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#Pentagon confirms massive (#Russian) sea&air push into #Crimea.Other sources:12 aircraft,up to 2000 airborne troops involved -@2kdei |PR

edit: thanks!

Comment author: [deleted] 01 March 2014 10:45:18AM 1 point [-]

You might want to escape the # by placing a backslash right before it.

Comment author: shminux 27 February 2014 06:19:59PM *  0 points [-]

I have no interest in betting money on political developments, even though I think I'd likely win in this case. Just enter your prediction in http://predictionbook.com.