hairyfigment comments on Rationality Quotes March 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: hairyfigment 11 March 2014 12:50:44AM 0 points [-]

Why the Hell would I want to practice the virtue of charity? If anything, I want to help people. And hating people from a foreign country could be an excellent way to do damage!

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 March 2014 03:57:27AM *  -1 points [-]

Why the Hell would I want to practice the virtue of charity? If anything, I want to help people.

Except, with that attitude you won't. You'll sit around telling yourself how virtuous you are for liking people you've never met, while being a misanthrope to everyone you personally know. Furthermore, if (or when) you mean one of the foreign people you supposedly love, you'll wind up being a misanthrope to them as well.

And hating people from a foreign country could be an excellent way to do damage!

Really? How does you, personally, hating people from a foreign country do damage?

Comment author: hairyfigment 11 March 2014 04:37:36AM 3 points [-]

Furthermore, if (or when) you mean one of the foreign people you supposedly love, you'll wind up being a misanthrope to them as well.

And why would I care about that if my donations produce a giant net benefit? When did I even claim to love anyone?

Comment author: RowanE 13 March 2014 02:13:39PM -2 points [-]

If you don't love people, why would your utility function include a term for their wellbeing?

Comment author: hairyfigment 13 March 2014 03:13:17PM -1 points [-]

If Stalin didn't love his own people, why would he mildly prefer not to throw them at Hitler?

Comment author: RowanE 25 March 2014 07:13:59PM 1 point [-]

The people of the soviet union were a resource that Stalin had a great amount of control over, and so even if he was perfectly selfish and uncaring towards his people, he would prefer to preserve that resource. The selfish benefit to be gained from saving a life in Africa is negligible, and is vastly outweighed by the cost.

I suppose I should clarify that I'm taking "love" in this context to basically mean the same thing as "like" - in many contexts it's not just a mere difference of degree, but in the context of "loving humanity" and such phrases I think it probably is.

Comment author: VAuroch 25 March 2014 08:43:57PM 0 points [-]

Where did he claim that his utility function included a term for the stranger's well-being?

Comment author: RowanE 26 March 2014 09:21:17AM 1 point [-]

I think it's implicit from when he said "if anything, I want to help people", and when he described donations that are efficient at helping anonymous strangers as "produc[ing] a giant net benefit".

Comment author: fezziwig 11 March 2014 06:22:09PM 1 point [-]

I'm sorry, my original post was not quite precise. I meant charity in the sense of the Principle of Charity, not charitable contributions. If you prefer, substitute "kind" for "charitable"; it's not quite the same but illustrates the point just as well.

And hating people from a foreign country could be an excellent way to do damage!

Keep in mind, we're talking about the damage you do to yourself. Hating people you've never met is not a very efficient way to damage yourself. Much better is to hate people you know intimately and see every day. That way you can practice your vices efficiently, and will have as many opportunities as possible to act them out.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 11 March 2014 03:14:15AM -1 points [-]

Why the Hell would I want to practice the virtue of charity?

To self-modify, perhaps?