Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes March 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 14 March 2014 04:57:31PM *  1 point [-]

People dealing with disorders like paranoia clearly have unusually strong biases (or other issues, in the case of schizophrenia) to deal with, but exceptional epistemic rationality consists of compensating well for your biases, not of not having any in the first place.

I am confused.

If a paranoiac has "unusually strong biases" but is exceptionally good at compensating for them, he would not be diagnosed with paranoia and would not be considered mentally ill.

My understanding of epistemic rationality is pretty simple: it is the degree to which your mental model matches the reality, full stop. It does not care how bad your biases are or how good are you at overcoming them, all that matters is the final result.

I also don't think full-blown clinical paranoia is a "bias" -- I think it is exactly a wrong picture of reality that fails epistemic rationality.

Comment author: Nornagest 14 March 2014 05:55:27PM -1 points [-]

I am confused.

I think you're modeling epistemic rationality as an externally assessed attribute and I'm modeling it as a skill.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 March 2014 07:47:19PM *  2 points [-]

I think you're modeling epistemic rationality as an externally assessed attribute and I'm modeling it as a skill.

Not really. I am modeling epistemic rationality as a sum total of skill, and biases, and willingness to look for quality evidence, and ability to find such evidence, etc. It is all the constituent parts which eventually produce the final model-of-the-world.

And that final model-of-the-world is what you called "an externally assessed attribute", but it is the result of epistemic rationality, not the thing itself.

Comment author: hairyfigment 14 March 2014 06:04:20PM 0 points [-]

So... you'd have a skill modifier plus or minus an ability modifier, and paranoiacs have a giant unrelated penalty?