blacktrance comments on Open Thread: March 4 - 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Brillyant 05 March 2014 05:02:12PM 3 points [-]

I share your feeling that breakups, and all things related, suck. And I like your idea of coming up with best practices for avoiding as much heartache as possible. But I'm unsure about the practicality here.

It is my experience that love involves high-level risk necessarily, and by it's nature.

I just saw a Terence Malick flim this past weekend (To the Wonder) and a quote from the movie comes to mind "The one who loves less is the one who is stronger".

My general thought is that this is opposed to everything of which LW is in favor. That is, love is not a rational move, since it (by a definion I'd accept) requires self-sacrifice for the good of another.

(Note: Not that LWers are selfish, per se. Only that love which chooses another person winning big while you open yourself up to lose hard is antithetical to most of the sentiment I see here.)

Comment author: blacktrance 05 March 2014 06:37:13PM 4 points [-]

That is, love is not a rational move, since it (by a definion I'd accept) requires self-sacrifice for the good of another.

Love makes/recognizes another person's good part of your good, so, depending on the magnitude, it isn't self-sacrifice to give up some other parts of your good to increase that of your loved one's.

Comment author: Brillyant 05 March 2014 08:15:35PM 3 points [-]

If love were as simple as this, that would be great.

As Ritalin said:

...it's a matter of preventing people from getting hurt. Lovesickness and heartache are, in my experience, among the worst, most devastating pains the world can offer.

"Love" requires that you risk the "devastating pain", I think. You may hold back, or engage principles that mitigate the heartache you feel when a relationship ends—to an extent this is fine, as recklessness is not good—but the risk or devastating pain is inherent in "love", as I'd define it.

Of course, if you find a relationship where both parties are always happy and healthy and pinging each other's fuzzy/utilon meters, then good for you. Life, in my experience, is a bit more dynamic and challenging than that.

I like the idea of coming up with disciplines to protect those who you love from heartache whould things not work out, but love is risky. It just is.