miekw comments on Open Thread: March 4 - 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 06 March 2014 03:48:06PM 3 points [-]

The essence of all persuasion, manipulation, whatever you call it, is giving others what they want;

Not at all. Consider the standard FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) -- it is manipulation, it is clearly not giving the subject what it wants.

Comment author: miekw 02 December 2014 07:57:33AM 0 points [-]

Do you think that it's completely implausible that someone would want to experience those emotions too?

I'm not claiming you'll have much success giving only those, but the wider the range of emotions you can incite, the better.

The claim that most would want this is more extreme and more difficult to find evidence for. I have no evidence beyond my own experience.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 December 2014 03:42:50PM 0 points [-]

Do you think that it's completely implausible that someone would want to experience those emotions too?

It's plausible, I guess, but that's not what actually happens in 99% cases of manipulation through FUD.