Eugine_Nier comments on Is my view contrarian? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 March 2014 03:35:07AM 0 points [-]

One rarely sees scientific ideas spread by conquest,

The spread of scientific ideas from Europe was almost entirely by conquest.

or by the kind of social pressure brought to bear by religions.

Try being openly creationist at a major university, you'll quickly discover the kind of social pressure science can bring to bear.

Nobody gets told by their mother to believe Newton's Laws every week at college in the way they might be told to go to Mass.

Although they might get told to go to the doctor and not the New Age healer.

Comment author: EHeller 13 March 2014 03:54:28AM *  6 points [-]

Try being openly creationist at a major university, you'll quickly discover the kind of social pressure science can bring to bear.

There were several people in my physics phd program who were openly creationist, and they were politely left alone. I don't know of an environment more science-filled, and honestly I've never known a higher density of creationists.

Comment author: Jiro 13 March 2014 08:19:23AM *  2 points [-]

The spread of scientific ideas from Europe was almost entirely by conquest.

Only in a very literal sense. Nobody said "let's conquer everyone in order to spread the atomic of theory of matter" and once they conquered they didn't execute people who didn't believe in atoms or decide that people who don't believe in atoms are not permitted to testify in court.

Try being openly creationist at a major university, you'll quickly discover the kind of social pressure science can bring to bear.

That's not the same kind of social pressure. I'm referring to one's personal life, not one's professional life.

Comment author: Bugmaster 13 March 2014 04:58:23AM 2 points [-]

Although they might get told to go to the doctor and not the New Age healer.

Where do you draw the line, though ? Kids also get told to brush their teeth and to never play in traffic...

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 March 2014 03:17:15AM 0 points [-]

Ask Jiro, I'm not convinced a line exists.

Comment author: Jiro 18 March 2014 08:39:28PM *  0 points [-]

The question dealt with beliefs. Brushing one's teeth (or going to a doctor instead of a healer) is an action. Going to Mass is technically an action, but its primary effect is to instill a belief system in the child.