Grognor comments on A Rational Argument - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raw_Power 06 July 2011 09:03:27PM 1 point [-]

Actually this would work nicely if the body that makes this survey doesn't work for any of the candidates, but either has independent votes or is funded by the voters. It would then be in their best interest to show the voters all the evidence, rather than "all the true evidence that serves my candidate".

In other words, if you want to intervene in politics as a rational agent, you shouldn't work for any party: you should work for the public at large! Which brings us to the following question: what is the necessity, nay, the justification for parties existing in this day and age? Aren't there better alternatives in making governments be the faithful servants of popular will, rather than, say, of their own existence or of the interests of a particular group of people?

Comment author: Grognor 02 July 2012 09:27:52PM 0 points [-]

[...] what is the necessity, nay, the justification for parties existing in this day and age?

It's a good question. The answer is "none, because people are crazy and the world is mad".

Comment author: Raw_Power 09 July 2012 02:47:06PM 0 points [-]

That's a bit of a non-explanation: it predicts anything, and nothing. How about, instead, you name three specific patterns of craziness (you know, fallacies, errors in judgment, bad heuristics, and so on) that are decisive factors in this state of affairs.

Comment author: Grognor 09 July 2012 09:02:42PM 0 points [-]

No. The whole point of that phrase is to not get overly complicated in explaining other people's failures.

Comment author: Raw_Power 19 July 2012 09:37:42AM *  -1 points [-]

Explaining and rationalizing/justifying are two different things. Pleading the "humanity is insane" is, to put it bluntly, unproductive and lazy. If you want to say "don't think about it too hard, it's not worth the effort", then say that, and spare us the theatrics.