Viliam_Bur comments on Terrorist baby down the well: a look at institutional forces - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Viliam_Bur 18 March 2014 04:04:50PM *  27 points [-]

Seems like politicians are willing to invest in prevention if the prevention is fighting against a human enemy, because then it moves from the "prevention" category to the "war" category.

War against terrorism = soldiers go and kill some foreigners. War against drugs = policemen go and kill some dealers, or arrest some users.

War against flood = ???. Not gonna happen.

And probably the "prevention" aspect is completely irrelevant. You can get votes for being tough on drugs or terrorism, even if your policies do not in fact reduce drug usage or terrorism. The war itself is the product you sell; prevention is just an excuse.

If people would believe that Flood Fairy exists and causes flood, you could get some points as a politician for assembling a special team of super fighters to kill the Flood Fairy. That would be exciting. Other ways of preventing floods are boring.

The average voter does not care about rationality, only about killing.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 18 March 2014 08:48:03PM *  16 points [-]

fighting against a human enemy

You've identified where the distinction lies, but missed the reason why there is a distinction.

It is entirely appropriate to take different actions against an agent vs. a force of nature. One can't deter nature, and nature shows no intent. Agency matters. The most dangerous threats to humans are other humans.

(Except for aging, about which people are particularly crazy, but that's a special case.)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 March 2014 03:49:49AM 3 points [-]

It's not just that. A lot of our ethical injunctions need to be suspected during wartime, thus it makes sense to be suspicious of attempts to make use of this loophole by expanding the definition of "war".

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 18 March 2014 11:24:45PM 1 point [-]

The most dangerous threats to humans are other humans.

In what sense? Other humans are certainly not very high on the list of top causes of death.

Comment author: wwa 20 March 2014 01:00:49PM 1 point [-]

They are somewhat high on the list of top black swan events, however.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 19 March 2014 07:27:09AM 0 points [-]

Not as in "murder" but as in omission or acting in self-interest (and tragedy of the commons).

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 March 2014 03:45:18AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 19 March 2014 07:28:04AM 2 points [-]

Seems to be a name thing.

The popularity of a war on poverty waned after the 1960s

Comment author: ChristianKl 19 March 2014 02:40:40PM 0 points [-]

The War on Cancer leads to people getting cancer "prevention" screenings that produce unnecessary operations and don't increase life expectancy.

It's about using violence to cut out the cancer in the early stages. It fits well into the pattern of the other examples.

Comment author: Dr_Manhattan 19 March 2014 05:02:35PM 0 points [-]

I think this is an excellent distinction, +1

That would be exciting

I disagree with the psychology a bit here. It's not that the war is exciting. It's that prevention has costs; taxes, inconvenience, etc. When people feel they're in a state of war they're very much willing to overlook the inconveniences; when there is no enemy in sight this does not happen. It feels like "state of war" is a basic (evolutionarily developed) psychological state.