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Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 February 2013 09:57:09PM 0 points [-]

Absolutely.

In fact, when used properly it's an entirely overt attempt to manipulate speakers, in order to influence the speaking that goes on in ways that the site prefers, and it is specifically endorsed by the site for that purpose. (It is also frequently used to express annoyance or to manipulate speakers for other purposes, which the site may or may not endorse.)

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Comment author: jooyous 06 February 2013 10:11:12PM * 3 points [-]

I think "the way the site prefers" just equates to the way the site prefers. When you're hanging out on the site, the way the site prefers is more relevant to you than this other "Good" thing.

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Comment author: DaFranker 06 February 2013 10:23:59PM * 1 point [-]

Rationality means listening to objections.

Please provide evidence. I challenge this claim.

"Listening to objections" is not what provides the highest expected utility based on my information and model of the world. By my previous definition, rationality meant winning and being less wrong. Using those tools, I determine that listening to objections is not the best way to be less wrong or win.

Edit: Also, I really think this whole thread should go here, judging by the current trend of discourse.

Comment author: jooyous 06 February 2013 10:25:10PM 0 points [-]

Rationality means listening to objections.

Yes, definitely. But when there is a large number of objections, rationality also means prioritizing which objections to address with which allocation of resources. And the site prefers to address those objections that aren't wrapped in threats and insults. =]

Comment author: DaFranker 06 February 2013 10:18:56PM * 2 points [-]

Apparently, sometimes, stating the obvious tautology really is the best way of killing a strawman.

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