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Comment author: polymathwannabe 08 April 2015 07:48:25PM 1 point [-]

Creationists describe themselves as Christians, and it's hard to see how anyone else could be in a better position to tell them what they are, especially within Protestantism, where there's no central authority on what the religion is and is not.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 April 2015 10:58:48AM *  -2 points [-]

I have always believed that you need to worship Jesus as a god, as someone divine, in order to call yourself christian. The source I have used as support for this claim is The 1986 edition of this encyclopedia For the record, it was ultimately supervised by four professors and actually written and produced by many more, including docents in religions.

Jiro says that "blame evolution" is not a good answer. But I have the right to believe in evolution even though I believe in a God. There is no need for a contradiction there.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 April 2015 12:03:35PM 1 point [-]

I have always believed that you need to worship Jesus as a god, as someone divine, in order to call yourself christian.

Most US creationists would indeed say that they do worship Jesus as a God. Most of the Christian's with whom you interact might not believe in creationism but it's a mistake to assume that the people you know are representative for the whole world.

See the gallup poll for the US.

For the record, it was ultimately supervised by four professors and actually written and produced by many more, including docents in religions.

Argument by authority doesn't bring you far on LW. Especially when you make trivial errors such as questioning whether creationists are Christian.

Comment author: Romashka 09 April 2015 12:09:12PM 0 points [-]

I did not downvote this, but I think whoever did meant it as 'actually, you are NOT entitled to believe in evolution'. (People who view evolution through the lenses of genetics and biotechnology and not, say, botany and zoology, intuitively seem to me less baffled by it - not always a good thing. You have to be as baffled as you possibly can, to seek out any weak spots at all.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 April 2015 12:35:55PM 0 points [-]

I think whoever did meant it as 'actually, you are NOT entitled to believe in evolution'.

What makes you think so?

Comment author: Romashka 09 April 2015 12:42:08PM 0 points [-]

Because 'entitled to believe' doesn't go well with critical thinking?

Comment author: Jiro 09 April 2015 09:27:53PM 2 points [-]

The reason that "blame evolution" isn't a good answer isn't that evolution specifically is incompatible with Christianity. The reason is that "blame anything" isn't a good answer, whether it's evolution or something else. God is supposed to be in complete control over the universe. The argument "God only let it happen because of X" is nonsense no matter what X is, because God can do anything he wants; he's not subject to constraints.