tgb comments on Open thread, 24-30 March 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: tgb 27 March 2014 02:11:50AM 5 points [-]

Facebook bought Oculus Rift for $2 billion. What makes this, and so many other large deals, such clean numbers? Are the press rounding the details? Are the companies only releasing approximate or estimate numbers? Can the value of a company like Oculus really not be estimated to the nearest 10%? Or do these whole numbers just serve as nice Schelling points on which to hinge a bargain? Or am I forgetting lots of ugly-numbered deals?

(WhatsApp purchase was 2 significant figures, and this list on Wikipedia does show mostly 2-3 significant figures though some figures are probably converted from other currencies.)

Comment author: bramflakes 27 March 2014 11:34:06AM 4 points [-]

In cases like this, a large portion of the "money" paid is actually in the form of shares, which can vary wildly on a day-to-day basis (especially during a takeover!). It doesn't make sense to specify the value of it too precisely because nobody knows what the shares are going to be worth tomorrow.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 29 March 2014 09:27:43PM 0 points [-]

That's a good reason for the press to round such figures, but the actual figure is round, on the day it was decided, and that itself is mysterious.

Comment author: CellBioGuy 27 March 2014 03:01:32AM 4 points [-]

What makes you think that these numbers are determined by some kind of rational cost-benefit analysis rather than those with the money rattling off numbers until those with the property give in?

Comment author: gwern 27 March 2014 02:54:51AM 3 points [-]

Why not all of the above? We can see some rounding already; http://investor.fb.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=835447 says

Facebook today announced that it has reached a definitive agreement to acquire Oculus VR, Inc., the leader in immersive virtual reality technology, for a total of approximately $2 billion. This includes $400 million in cash and 23.1 million shares of Facebook common stock (valued at $1.6 billion based on the average closing price of the 20 trading days preceding March 21, 2014 of $69.35 per share). The agreement also provides for an additional $300 million earn-out in cash and stock based on the achievement of certain milestones.

There's rounding right there (23.1m * 69.35 is not a round number). And there's plenty of uncertainty about how much they will actually pay: how can anyone know how much of that earn-out will ultimately be paid?

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 29 March 2014 09:26:35PM 2 points [-]

There's rounding right there (23.1m * 69.35 is not a round number).

That sounds backwards to me. It looks to me like they started at the round 2.0, set 20% in cash, 80% in stock, found that required 23.1m shares of facebook and rounded that to three digits to get within 2% of the 1.6 they wanted.

Also, the incentive pay of 300m is 15% of the fixed payment, less uncertainty than rounding to 1 significant figure.

Comment author: tgb 27 March 2014 01:12:57PM 0 points [-]

It absolutely could be all of the above! But see I write questions like this fairly frequently: I notice something surprising and don't have a good explanation for it. I then write down the question and pose a couple possible explanations which makes me think of more possible explanations. Frequently I realized that taken together the possibilities I thought of are enough to explain what I was surprised at and I don't even ask the question. Other times, like this one, I still feel like I'm missing something. So I ask the question.

In this case it looks like the biggest thing I missed was how much these sales' values depend upon the moment-to-moment stock prices of the parties involved and so that not rounding them hardly even makes sense, as you and bramflakes point out. Thanks!

Comment author: Squark 27 March 2014 08:13:57PM *  1 point [-]