Gunnar_Zarncke comments on Open Thread, April 27-May 4, 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 28 April 2014 08:37:27AM 0 points [-]

Therefore, your projection only makes sense in a continuing technological civilization, in which case engineering happens.

Agreed. But the speed of technology is estimated quite variably. And at least currently there are already ethical (read: memetic) constraints on applying technology to reproduction. So one could argue that the selection pressure is already doing its work.

you are going to need extensive real world data [for] projecting forward.

Agreed. What do you propose? Assuming it too complicate to contemplate?

Comment author: Izeinwinter 28 April 2014 10:12:40AM *  -1 points [-]

.... Yes. I mean, if you want to do a phd's worth of work, there are existing datasets one could mine - but the time horizon (since the legalization of birth control) is so short and the social context regarding reproduction has been shifting so heavily during this period that any predictions you make would end up being barely guesses. Fortunately, the subset of plausible futures in which this matters is absurdly small. The world would essentially have to enter into technological and social stasis for many thousands of years, and well. Uhm. No.

The marching morons has a lot to answer for, really, since variations on this is an idea that crops up like weed, and it is a pretty absurd scenario.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 28 April 2014 10:36:42AM 0 points [-]

The marching morons has a lot to answer for, really, since variations on this is an idea that crops up like weed,

This is kind of an relevant argument because it means this - despite my non-political phrasing - is really a political topic because the opinion coalition effects are possibly much stronger than any solid predictions to be had. Or to rephrase this: Any actual biological effect is outweight by memetic effects.

it is a pretty absurd scenario.

I beg to differ.