ChristianKl comments on Truth: It's Not That Great - Less Wrong

35 Post author: ChrisHallquist 04 May 2014 10:07PM

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Comment author: ChristianKl 05 May 2014 12:42:43AM *  4 points [-]

Edit: For the following clicking agree is supposed to mean that you consider a statement heretical

"Some truths don't matter much." sounds heretical

Disagree completely Agree completely

"People often have legitimate reasons for not wanting others to have certain truths." sounds heretical

Disagree completely Agree completely

"The value of truth often has to be weighed against other goals." sounds heretical

Disagree completely Agree completely

"Information can be perfectly accurate and also worthless." sounds heretical

Disagree completely Agree completely

"People often have legitimate reasons for not wanting other people to gain access to their private information. " sounds heretical

Disagree completely Agree completely

"A desire for more information often has to be weighed against other goals." sounds heretical

Disagree completely Agree completely

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Comment author: Jack 06 May 2014 07:00:14AM *  2 points [-]

What is meant by heretical?

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 May 2014 07:25:56PM 2 points [-]

I personally simply copied the wording in the article above and wanted to test whether the claim is true. It seems indeed to be the case that there are a bunch of people who consider the statement about "truth" more heretical than "information".

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 May 2014 07:41:11AM 2 points [-]

I don't know how ChristianKl meant it, but in general it appears to mean either (1) "this idea is so utterly false that it must be strenuously opposed every time it rears its head", or (2) "the crowd say that this idea is so utterly false that it must be opposed every time it rears its head, therefore I shall defiantly proclaim it to demonstrate my superior intellect".

The very concept of "heresy" presupposes that arguments are soldiers and disagreement is strife. "Heresy" is a call to war, not a call to truth.

Comment author: Fronken 07 May 2014 09:18:01AM -1 points [-]

So if we have a heresy, then exposing it as actually true would be good, because we want to know the truth - hang on.

Comment author: alex_zag_al 21 May 2014 07:46:40PM *  0 points [-]

The first and third ones, about info sometimes being worthless, just made me think of Vaniver's article on value of information calculations. So, I mean, it sounded very LessWrongy to me, very much the kind of thing you'd hear here.

The second one made me think of nuclear secrets, which made me think of HPMOR. Again, it seems like the kind of thing that this community would recognize the value of.

I think my reactions to these were biased, though, by being told how I was expected to feel about them. I always like to subvert that, and feel a little proud of myself when what I'm reading fails to describe me.