Viliam_Bur comments on 2014 Survey of Effective Altruists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Viliam_Bur 06 May 2014 11:04:31AM *  5 points [-]

Uhm, upvoted the comment, but don't completely agree with the linked article.

It suggests that when fans of something are worried when it becomes too popular, they object against losing their positional good. That's just one possible explanation. Sometimes the fact that X becomes widely popular changes X, and there are people who genuinely preferred the original version. -- As a simple example, imagine that tomorrow million new readers will come to LW; would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Depends on what happens to LW. If the quality of debate remains the same, that it's obviously a huge win, and anyone who resents that is guilty of caring about their positional good too much. On the other hand, the new people could easily shift LW towards the popular (in sense: frequent in population) stuff, so we would get a lot of nonsense sprinkled by LW buzzwords.

I can imagine leftist groups believing they are working "more meta than thou"; solving a problem which taken in isolation doesn't seem so important (compared with the causes effective altruists care about), but would start a huge cascade of improvement afterwards (their model of the world says so, your model doesn't). Making mosquito nets instead is not an improvement according to their model.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 09 May 2014 03:53:16PM 3 points [-]

As a simple example, imagine that tomorrow million new readers will come to LW

The results can already been seen in the Census Survey: There is a small trend toward the mean. The smartest move on to greener pastures.

Comment author: Kawoomba 09 May 2014 04:10:30PM *  -2 points [-]

Moo?

Edit: Stupid comment, too much reddit today. Infantile regression. I apologize. I disagree with the parent comment ("small trend toward the mean in the census = smartest move on to greener pastures") and meant to poke fun at it by showing the absurd fringe case; only dumb cows remaining (which I'm not, hence my disagreement would be conveyed). Convoluted. Sorry.

Comment author: timujin 09 May 2014 04:25:40PM 2 points [-]

Saw this in recent comments, thought how curious is that there is a context in which this comment is not silly. I was wrong. What did you mean, again?

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 16 May 2014 12:22:53PM 1 point [-]

"small trend toward the mean in the census = smartest move on to greener pastures"

I see those two points to be independently supported by the survey and not to imply each other in any obvious way.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 May 2014 09:05:21PM 1 point [-]

It suggests that when fans of something are worried when it becomes too popular, they object against losing their positional good. That's just one possible explanation. Sometimes the fact that X becomes widely popular changes X, and there are people who genuinely preferred the original version.

That doesn't explain why the new X looks much more like an extreme version of the popular version of X rather than the original X.