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Comment author: ShardPhoenix 27 May 2014 07:10:08AM 9 points [-]

Lately I've noticed, both here and the wider LW-sphere, a trend towards rationalizing the status quo. For example, pointing out how seemingly irrational behavior might actually be rational when taking into account various factors. Has anyone else noticed the same?

At any rate I'm not sure if this represents an evolution (taking into account more subtleties) or regression (genuine change is too hard so let's rationalize) in the discourse.

Comment author: ygert 27 May 2014 09:41:14AM 5 points [-]

What you are observing is part of the phenomenon of meta-contrarianism. Like everything Yvain writes, the aforementioned post is well worth a read.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 27 May 2014 02:37:16PM *  12 points [-]

I don't know. Metacontrarianism, as I understand it, involves taking specific positions solely for the sake of differentiating oneself from others, whereas many of the status quo explanations (e.g. Yvain's recent post on weak men) seem like they actually have definite intellectual merit as well.

My explanation would be more something like "LW was originally quite dominated by Eliezer's ideas, but over time and as people have had the time to think about them more, people have started going off in their own directions and producing new kinds of thoughts that are the kind of synthesis that you get when you've assimilated the LW canon deeply enough and then start combining it with all the other influences and ideas that you run into and think about in your life".

Comment author: blacktrance 28 May 2014 03:55:46PM *  1 point [-]

There does seem to be a pattern of (commonly accepted idea/pattern/behavior)/(LW-ish/sequence-related/rational (for some sense of the word) idea/pattern/behavior)/(LW-ish justification of something similar to the commonly accepted idea/pattern/behavior), though. It's similar to the metacontrarianism pattern even if it's not caused by actual metacontrarianism.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 28 May 2014 04:44:34PM 3 points [-]

There's also the general "thesis, antithesis, synthesis" pattern that intellectual ideas tend to take.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 27 May 2014 12:23:42PM 1 point [-]

I've read that one - what I was thinking of felt a little different, but maybe it's really the same thing.