somnicule comments on Open Thread, May 26 - June 1, 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: somnicule 28 May 2014 04:01:09PM 0 points [-]

Is the desire to impose one's morality on alien intelligences surprising relative to the "Eliminate the alien species" option, or "Conduct trade with the alien species", or "Avoid the alien species as much as possible"?

Comment author: shminux 28 May 2014 08:15:11PM -2 points [-]

None of the above. Human cultures used to be pretty good at "let those other weirdos do what they want, as long as they don't bother us" until certain proselytizing religions came along.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 May 2014 06:29:02AM 10 points [-]

I thought the more usual practice throughout history was "we don't care what those other weirdos want, we want their land".

Comment author: fubarobfusco 29 May 2014 03:10:08AM *  4 points [-]

I'm not convinced. Proselytization — and even forced conversion — seem to have been a less violent alternative to the previous human habit of killing all the adults and boys, taking the virgin girls as rape slaves, and eradicating the culture of "those other weirdos" when a military advantage can be had.

Moses was angry with the officers of the army [...] who returned from the battle. [...] "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."Numbers 31:14,17-18

Comment author: Lumifer 29 May 2014 04:18:57PM *  3 points [-]

Human cultures used to be pretty good at "let those other weirdos do what they want, as long as they don't bother us" until certain proselytizing religions came along.

That's just not true at all.

Look at studies of warfare in "stone-age" tribes, e.g. in the Amazon or New Guinea. It's low-intensity but pretty constant.

Or look at the Vikings. Or the Mongol horde. How do you think the Roman Empire got so big? Etc, etc.

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Comment author: Lumifer 29 May 2014 05:04:23PM 0 points [-]

What the tribes cared little about is other tribes' treatment of their own members.

That did NOT change when "certain proselytizing religions came along." Tribes fought for power and resources; they still fight for power and resources, PR efforts notwithstanding.