Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes June 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 04 June 2014 03:35:32PM 9 points [-]

Consider also that "don't argue with idiots" has much of the same superficial appeal as "allow the government to censor idiots".

The former has a fair amount of appeal for me and the latter I would find appalling and consider to be descent into totalitarianism. I don't think this comparison works.

Comment author: RobinZ 10 June 2014 10:03:36PM 4 points [-]

Jiro didn't say appeal to you. Besides, substitute "blog host" for "government" and I think it becomes a bit clearer: both are much easier ways to deal with the problem of someone who persistently disagrees with you than talking to them. Obviously that doesn't make "don't argue with idiots" wrong, but given how much power trivial inconveniences have to shape your behavior, I think an admonition to hold the proposed heuristic to a higher standard of evidence is appropriate.

Comment author: Nornagest 10 June 2014 10:06:30PM 3 points [-]

Besides, substitute "blog host" for "government" and I think it becomes a bit clearer

Speaking for myself, I've got a fair bit of sympathy for the concept with that substitution and a fair bit of antipathy without it. It's a lot easier to find a blog you like and that likes you than to find a government with the same qualities.

Comment author: RobinZ 10 June 2014 10:25:24PM 2 points [-]

Hence the substitution. :)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 05 June 2014 01:30:31AM 5 points [-]

You are atypical in this respect.

Comment author: Vulture 10 June 2014 09:49:40PM 7 points [-]

Really? I feel the same way as Lumifer and asusmed that this was the obvious, default reaction. Damned typical-mind fallacy.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 June 2014 12:04:17AM 4 points [-]

I also feel the same way, but in my experience most people don't.

Also as RobinZ pointed out here things get fuzzy in the limit where one has to taboo "government".

Comment author: Lumifer 11 June 2014 02:14:32AM 5 points [-]

things get fuzzy in the limit where one has to taboo "government".

No, I don't think they do. The basic distinction is between making the choices for yourself and forcing choices on others.

Comment author: Lumifer 05 June 2014 02:14:56AM 0 points [-]

That's typical for me :-D