Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes June 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 05 June 2014 03:49:42PM *  2 points [-]

holding that the violent revolution idea has been shown not to work.

That's not true. The violent revolution idea worked very well. It's just that what happened after that revolution didn't quite match Marx's expectations.

Comment author: DanArmak 05 June 2014 07:53:39PM 3 points [-]

Well if you ignore all the predictions for what should happen afterwards, the mere idea that it's possible to have a violent revolution that would topple an old authoritarian regime wasn't exactly original to Marx.

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 June 2014 09:25:19PM 0 points [-]

The thing that was original to Marx was that a revolution is the only way to create real political change and that it's impossible to create that change inside the system.

Comment author: DanArmak 06 June 2014 11:29:02AM 3 points [-]

I find it hard to believe this was an original idea. In a classic autocracy with a small rich legally empowered class, how could you possibly expect to radically change things except through violence? What alternatives are there that were ignored by all the previous violent revolutions in history?

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2014 12:55:45PM *  2 points [-]

I find it hard to believe this was an original idea. In a classic autocracy with a small rich legally empowered class, how could you possibly expect to radically change things except through violence?

The idea is that even representative democracies creating radical change within the system is impossible.

Great Britain is still a Monarchy in 2014, but I would say they changed a great deal without a violent revolution.