Creutzer comments on Political ideas meant to provoke thought - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Creutzer 02 June 2014 06:34:47AM 8 points [-]

Aren't government officials also incentivised to do stupid things? If so, replacing them by smarter people won't solve many problems.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 02 June 2014 09:04:46AM 4 points [-]

Aren't government officials also incentivised to do stupid things?

More accurately, their incentives often don't align well with the purported incentives of their organization, and the organizational incentives are largely the opposite of the purported incentives of their organization.

Short term, bureaucracies usually gain power as the problem they were created to solve gets worse.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 02 June 2014 08:33:28AM 0 points [-]

How are they so incentivized?

Comment author: Salemicus 02 June 2014 12:33:37PM *  7 points [-]

There is a rich literature, normally referred to as "public choice", which looks at the incentives facing government officials. There's far too much to describe in a short reply, but the Wikipedia article is a good starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_choice

Comment author: fubarobfusco 02 June 2014 05:04:36PM *  5 points [-]

If you employ someone to work on problem X, under what circumstances does that person have an incentive to tell you that ...

  • Problem X has been solved, and no longer needs effort;
  • Enduring problem X is less expensive or harmful than current efforts to solve it; or
  • X is actually not a problem at all and efforts to stop X are entirely misplaced.

For instance, if you employ a Witchfinder General, whose job it is to locate witches and prosecute them for laying curses that sicken their neighbors' cattle, that person may resist coming to the realization that cattle get sick due to pathogens, not curses ....

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 23 June 2014 12:42:37PM *  1 point [-]

Fortunately, bureaucrats are part of a wider ecosystem including opposition politicians and journalists, both of whichparties are well motivated to seek out waste and ineffectiveness.

Comment author: DanielLC 02 June 2014 07:15:51PM 0 points [-]

We vote for politicians that do what we want them to do, not for ones that are successful. For example, we might decide that we want to increase minimum wage, and regardless of if that's a good idea, increasing it will help a politician win the election.

They are also incentivized to do what people who pay for lobbyists want them to do, since they need campaign contributions to win the election.