Eugine_Nier comments on Political ideas meant to provoke thought - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 June 2014 01:12:15AM 3 points [-]

Pure socialism and pure free markets have rarely existed at any sort of scale or for any substantial length of time.

Um, Soviet Union, Cuba.

Comment author: TimS 03 June 2014 01:22:27AM 2 points [-]

Presumably, people who support whatever "pure socialism" is think that the USSR or Cuba didn't do it right. Which justifiably raises No-True-Scotsman objections.

But I think the argument on that point is close enough that your pithy one-liner is not responsive to the general point:

Capitalism vs socialism debates generally happen without acknowledging that the vast majority of the world uses a relatively narrow spectrum of hybrid systems. Some free markets, some social safety nets and regulations.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 03 June 2014 02:06:56AM *  4 points [-]

Alternately, one could be looking at their extensive capitalist black markets. Those may have provided an important function without which they would have failed(/ will fail) much quicker. Just because someone says it wasn't pure communist doesn't mean that they thought that pure communist would have worked.

Comment author: TimS 03 June 2014 01:29:24PM *  0 points [-]

Everything you said is very very plausible, but it doesn't make Eugine's comment responsive to Punoxysm

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 03 June 2014 03:24:00PM *  0 points [-]

I was agreeing with you on the point that Eugene's comment wasn't responsive, though for different reasons. Not every reply is a perfect rebuttal.

Comment author: Punoxysm 03 June 2014 05:19:57AM *  0 points [-]

This is pretty fair, but there's a vast spectrum of flavors of socialist economies that have never really been executed, or only existed very briefly. Soviet-style bureaucratic central planning is a very limited slice of the possible permutations.

But the fact that the other flavors (say, anarcho-syndicalism) have never existed and seem unlikely to happen anytime soon, DOES speak volumes. Just as it does in the case of purely imagined "pure capitalism".