Eugine_Nier comments on Open thread, 9-15 June 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 23 June 2014 05:16:38PM 1 point [-]

They held elections and put the people who got majority into positions of power.

Elections are no big deal. Mugabe holds elections, Putin holds elections, hey, even Assad recently held elections.

Old-style colonialism wasn't based on crushing military superiority

Yes, it was. Certainly, it wasn't just military superiority, especially once the colonies were established, and the British, for example, became masters of control through political and financial means as well. However the military strength was the underlying bedrock.

Are you saying that the laws of nature somehow changed over the past century?

Which particular laws of nature do you have in mind?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 June 2014 02:26:29AM 1 point [-]

Elections are no big deal. Mugabe holds elections, Putin holds elections, hey, even Assad recently held elections.

Well, the US forces actually attempted not to rig them.

However the military strength was the underlying bedrock.

Disagree. Military strength was based on a bedrock of competent management.

Are you saying that the laws of nature somehow changed over the past century?

Which particular laws of nature do you have in mind?

Whichever laws you invoked when you said implied that "old-style colonialism won't work in our time" is a reasonable hypothesis.

Comment author: Lumifer 24 June 2014 05:43:55PM *  1 point [-]

Well, the US forces actually attempted not to rig them.

No need to, the locals can do everything necessary. The US forces just provided the money and prevented the "undesirables" from playing.

Whichever laws you invoked when you said implied that "old-style colonialism won't work in our time" is a reasonable hypothesis.

I did not invoke any laws of nature. I think that in the current social, political, informational, military, etc. global environment the old-style colonialism is highly unlikely to work. No laws of nature are involved in this assertion.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 June 2014 04:23:11AM 4 points [-]

I think that in the current social, political, informational, military, etc. global environment the old-style colonialism is highly unlikely to work.

Can you be specific about what you think is the relevant change?