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Comment author: komponisto 21 June 2014 09:28:18AM *  1 point [-]

You seem to be missing the point, which is about its political subordination to a larger entity. What I was attempting to correct was (possible) ignorance of the existence of the UAE.

Here are the first two sentences of my link (emphasis added):

Dubai (/duːˈbaɪ/ doo-by; Arabic: دبيّ‎ Dubayy, IPA: [dʊˈbæj]) is the most populous city and emirate in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and the second largest emirate by territorial size after the capital, Abu Dhabi.[3] Dubai is located on the southeast coast of the Persian Gulf and is one of the seven emirates that make up the country

For all that an "emirate" may be similar to a "principality" (or, dare I say, a "count-y"), the fact remains that the political status of Dubai is different from that of e.g. the principality of Monaco, in the sense that Monaco is an independent country, and Dubai isn't.

Dimensions along which Dubai is more similar to Singapore than Istanbul aren't relevant to this point. (If someone pointed out that California was part of the United States, you wouldn't argue with them by saying that it's the seventh largest economy in the world [or whatever] and therefore "empirically clusters" with countries rather than states.)

Comment author: lmm 21 June 2014 10:00:27AM 3 points [-]

In some legalistic sense Monaco may be more independent than Dubai. But in practical terms like "how different are its laws from France/UAE" I'd say it's the opposite. My point about empirical differences wasn't about economy, it's that Dubai is much more like a sovereign city than like an ordinary city in a country, even in purely governmental terms like taxes and courts and so on.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 June 2014 04:29:36PM 1 point [-]

Same applies to (say) Hong Kong and yet I can't recall anyone calling Hong Kong a country.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 June 2014 11:19:34PM 3 points [-]

I can't recall anyone calling Hong Kong a country.

Well ICANN for starters.

Comment author: asr 30 June 2014 02:12:35AM 1 point [-]

Having a top-level domain doesn't make an entity a country. Lots of indisputably non-countries have top-level domains. Nobody thinks the Bailiwick of Guernsey is a country, and yet .gg exists.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 30 June 2014 03:18:35AM 4 points [-]

Nobody thinks the Bailiwick of Guernsey is a country, and yet .gg exists.

Well, it's sufficiently independent of the UK to function as a tax haven. It's definitely one of those entities that's on the fuzzy boundary between country and non-country, along with Hong Kong and (in a slightly different way) Dubai.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 June 2014 08:50:32AM 1 point [-]

Nobody thinks the Bailiwick of Guernsey is a country

A couple days ago I did see an article somewhere calling Jersey a country, though.