Neel_Krishnaswami comments on Pascal's Mugging: Tiny Probabilities of Vast Utilities - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Neel_Krishnaswami 20 October 2007 07:01:08PM 3 points [-]

Utility functions have to be bounded basically because genuine martingales screw up decision theory -- see the St. Petersburg Paradox for an example.

Economists, statisticians, and game theorists are typically happy to do so, because utility functions don't really exist -- they aren't uniquely determined from someone's preferences. For example, you can multiply any utility function by a constant, and get another utility function that produces exactly the same observable behavior.

Comment author: pnrjulius 07 April 2012 01:37:54AM -1 points [-]

In the INDIVIDUAL case that is true. In the AGGREGATE case it's not.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 January 2014 07:29:14PM 0 points [-]

I always wondered why people believe utility functions are U(x): R^n -> R^1 for some n. I'm no decision theorist, but I see no reason utilities can't function on the basis of a partial ordering rather than a totally ordered numerical function.

Comment author: Vaniver 30 January 2014 11:36:35PM 1 point [-]

I'm no decision theorist, but I see no reason utilities can't function on the basis of a partial ordering rather than a totally ordered numerical function.

The total ordering is really nice because it means we can move from the messy world of outcomes to the neat world of real numbers, whose values are probabilistically relevant. If we move from total ordering to partial ordering, then we are no longer able to make probabilistic judgments based only on the utilities.

If you have some multidimensional utility function, and a way to determine your probabilistic preferences between any uncertain gamble between outcomes x and y and a certain outcome z, then I believe you should be able to find the real function that expresses those probabilistic preferences, and that's your unidimensional utility function. If you don't have that way to determine your preferences, then you'll be indecisive, which is not something we like to build in to our decision theories.