TheAncientGeek comments on On Terminal Goals and Virtue Ethics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2014 06:23:19PM 1 point [-]

or do people want to survive in order to achieve other goals?

I am pretty sure people have a biologically hardwired desire to survive. It is terminal X-D

Many people (I think) wouldn't want to continue living if they were in a vegetative state with ultra-low probability of regaining their ability to live normally

Yes, but do note the difference between "I survive" and "my brain-dead body survives".

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 17 June 2014 07:02:19PM 2 points [-]

If someone is persuaded to sacrifice themsself for a cause X, is cause X then more-than-terminal?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 17 June 2014 07:25:42PM 5 points [-]

I suppose you you could say that, survival was never their terminal goal. But, to me that has a just so quality. You can identify a terminal goal from any life history, but you can't predict anything.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2014 07:32:05PM 4 points [-]

Humans have multiple values, including multiple terminal values. They do not necessary form any coherent system and so on a regular basis conflict with one another. This is a normal state of being for human values. Conflicts get resolved in a variety of ways, sometimes by cost-benefit analysis, and sometimes by hormonal imbalance :-)

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 17 June 2014 07:41:19PM *  2 points [-]

If there is no coherence or stability in the human value system, then there are no terminal values, in any sense that makes a meaningful distinction. Anarchies don't have leaders either.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2014 07:48:25PM *  8 points [-]

"Terminal" does NOT mean "the most important". It means values which you cannot (internally) explain in terms of other values, you have them just because you have them. They are axioms.