TheAncientGeek comments on On Terminal Goals and Virtue Ethics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 June 2014 08:49:51PM 40 points [-]

"Good people are consequentialists, but virtue ethics is what works," is what I usually say when this topic comes up. That is, we all think that it is virtuous to be a consequentialist and that good, ideal rationalists would be consequentialists. However, when I evaluate different modes of thinking by the effect I expect them to have on my reasoning, and evaluate the consequences of adopting that mode of thought, I find that I expect virtue ethics to produce the best adherence rate in me, most encourage practice, and otherwise result in actually-good outcomes.

But if anyone thinks we ought not to be consequentialists on the meta-level, I say unto you that lo they have rocks in their skulls, for they shall not steer their brains unto good outcomes.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 18 June 2014 02:56:55PM *  2 points [-]

Say I apply consequentialism to a set of end states I can reliably predict, and use something else for the set I cannot. In what sense should I be a consequentialist about the second set?

Comment author: ialdabaoth 18 June 2014 03:08:49PM *  1 point [-]

In what sense should I be a consequentialist about the second set?

In the sense that you can update on evidence until you can marginally predict end states?

I'm afraid I can't think of an example where there's a meta-level but on predictive capacity on that meta-level. Can you give an example?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 18 June 2014 03:17:17PM 1 point [-]

I have no hope of being able to predict everything...there is always going to be a large set of end states I can't predict?

Comment author: ialdabaoth 18 June 2014 03:32:38PM 0 points [-]

Then why have ethical opinions about it at all? Again, can you please give an example of a situation where this would come up?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 18 June 2014 03:36:11PM -1 points [-]

Lo! I have been so instructed-eth! See above.