benkuhn comments on Relative and Absolute Benefit - Less Wrong

12 Post author: jkaufman 18 June 2014 01:56PM

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Comment author: benkuhn 19 June 2014 02:55:30AM 4 points [-]

I think you're being a little uncharitable to people who promote interventions that seem positional (e.g. greater educational attainment). It may be true that college degrees are purely for signalling and hence positional goods, but:

(a) it improves aggregate welfare for people to be able to send costly signals, so we shouldn't just get rid of college degrees;

(b) if an intervention improves college graduation rate, it (hopefully) is not doing this by handing out free diplomas, but rather by effecting some change in the subjects that makes them more capable of sending the costly signal of graduating from college, which is an absolute improvement.

Similarly, while height increase has no plausible mechanism for improving absolute wellbeing, some mechanisms for improving absolute wellbeing are measured using height as a proxy (most prominently nutritional status in developing countries).

It should definitely be a warning sign if an intervention seems only to promote a positional good, but it's more complex than it seems to determine what's actually positional.

Comment author: jkaufman 19 June 2014 03:21:26PM *  1 point [-]

"effecting some change in the subjects that makes them more capable of sending the costly signal of graduating from college, which is an absolute improvement"

It depends. Consider a government subsidy for college tuition. This increases the number of people who go to and then graduate college, but it also makes the signal less costly.

But I basically agree with "it's more complex than it seems to determine what's actually positional". The difficulty of determining how much of an observed benefit is absolute vs positional is a lot of what I'm talking about here.