MrMind comments on [LINK] Scott Aaronson on Google, Breaking Circularity and Eigenmorality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 20 June 2014 03:30:25AM 18 points [-]

I'm annoyed at how negative the comments on this post are. I think this is a great example of making progress on an apparently philosophical problem by bringing in some nontrivial mathematics (in this case, the idea of using eigenvector decompositions to make sense of circular definitions), and it seems extremely uncharitable to me to judge it for failing to be a fully general and correct solution to the problem when it's obviously not intended to be.

Comment author: MrMind 20 June 2014 08:32:30AM *  1 point [-]

I think that the article is important because it fails critically, that is it serves to identify the fact that morality is important precisely when it's not the result of aggregated preferences.

And we should all know by now how much dangerous a sub-optimal morality can be.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 20 June 2014 05:22:32PM 12 points [-]

And we should all know by now how much dangerous a sub-optimal morality can be.

Agh, but if you want to solve that problem, the solution is not to criticize everyone who offers a proposal. That is not how you incentivize people to solve a problem.

Comment author: MrMind 23 June 2014 07:38:48AM 7 points [-]

the solution is not to criticize everyone who offers a proposal

I think the 'solution' is exactly to criticize everyone who offers a proposal, but do so in a respectful, clear and constructive manner, highlighting the good and the bad.

Indeed, I think that Aaronson's proposal was interesting, new and very worth of reflection and further expansion. Yet I still think it fails, and badly.