For temperature data, I don't think that many people would question the data, average temperatures seem like good, hard facts to me.
Not really. The problem is we don't have uniformly spaced weather stations all over the earth. Furthermore the locations of the stations we do have tend to change over the time period of interest. (The various proxies suffer from similar problems.) Thus it's necessary to apply weights to the data we do have to correct for this. Unfortunately, the weights are semi-arbitrary in practice and as we learned from the leaked climategate e-mails frequently have the warming built in.
That is, when I hear empirical data in support of climate change, I think: 'well, obviously!', not 'here is the data that should be strengthening my belief in climate change'.
What's your reaction to the data that shows a lack of warming over the past 17-years?
What's your reaction to the data that shows a lack of warming over the past 17-years?
My main issue with it is that the people on the warmist side of the debate completely failed to predict it. Which is pretty good evidence that their thinking and their computer models are wrong. And yet, as far as they know, they continue to insist that their thinking and computer models are fundamentally sound. It seems to me like a class case of groupthink, self-serving bias, etc.
I recently asked two questions on Quora with similar question structures, and the similarities and differences between the responses were interesting.
Question #1: Anthropogenic global warming, the greenhouse effect, and the historical weather record
I asked the question here. Question statement:
In response to some comments, I added the following question details:
I also posted to Facebook here asking my friends about the pushback to my use of the term "belief" in my question.
Question #2: Effect of increase in the minimum wage on unemployment
I asked the question here. Question statement:
I added the following question details:
I also posted the question to Facebook here.
Similarities between the questions
The questions are structurally similar, and belong to a general question type of considerable interest to the LessWrong audience. The common features to the questions:
Looking for help
I'm interested in thoughts from the people here on these questions: