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Comment author: curi 06 July 2014 04:35:50AM *  3 points [-]

Hi, an old discussion

http://lesswrong.com/lw/56m/the_conjunction_fallacy_does_not_exist/

gives the error, "The page you requested does not exist"

I have the right link. It's actually still linked from:

http://lesswrong.com/user/curi/submitted/

I wanted to check something from that discussion. As you can see from my submitted page, there were 113 comments. Why doesn't it exist? What's going on? Can someone help?

I didn't find any contact info except a bug tracker that didn't seem to have much activity since 2012, and my first guess is not a software bug. I may well have missed the right place to be asking about this, tell me if so.

Comment author: shminux 06 July 2014 06:08:13AM *  0 points [-]

Deleted posts and comments can still be seen from the user's page.

Comment author: gwern 07 July 2014 10:35:49PM 2 points [-]

If it was deleted, curi should be able to still see it, but that doesn't explain why I can still see it. It's only the owner - and site moderators too? - who should be able to see it. So maybe there's some odd glitch involved when something is "removed from main and discussion" where you can no longer view it directly?

(Also wow what a terrible post.)

Comment author: shminux 07 July 2014 11:23:11PM 1 point [-]

Apparently there is a version of post deletion where it can still be seen from the user profile, like the last Will Newsome's post, but it is no longer indexed by search engines. This is just a conjecture, though. I have never deleted my own posts, so I have no experience with that.

Comment author: curi 06 July 2014 06:12:58AM *  1 point [-]

Why would it be deleted? Is there any accountability or appeal? Is there any way someone could get me a copy of the discussion? BTW Eliezer specifically wrote in the thread that the page would remain accessible:

Eliezer_Yudkowsky 11 April 2011 07:08:01AM 0 points

Post removed from main and discussion on grounds that I've never seen anything voted down that far before. Page will still be accessible to those who know the address.

Comment author: shminux 06 July 2014 08:07:40AM 0 points [-]

Why would it be deleted? Is there any accountability or appeal?

He explained why, didn't he? IANEY, but I suspect that there is no appeal. I assume that the comments people made are visible from their profile, but maybe not. Maybe there is an archived version somewhere online, if you are lucky. Don't hold your breath, though.

Comment author: curi 06 July 2014 08:21:44AM *  2 points [-]

Did you read the quote? He specifically said he was not deleting it, and did not delete it at that time. And he said it wouldn't be deleted. He only deleted some links to it, but said the direct link would continue to work.

Around 50 more comments were added to the discussion after he posted that.

It was deleted some time later. I don't know when. Archive.org doesn't have it.

Does it bother anyone here that (apparently) unpopular ideas are deleted with no reason given, no notice, and no accountability?

Comment author: MugaSofer 07 July 2014 06:33:49PM *  -1 points [-]

It bothers some people - for example, you - but not most of us, no. This is the internet. You need to keep the trolls off, and posting things elsewhere is easy if you feel it's necessary.

Still, I'm not sure why it vanished, if Eliezer didn't delete it. That seems much more bother-worthy than it's unpopularity.

Comment author: curi 07 July 2014 10:18:14PM 1 point [-]

I agree. That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't know why or it was deleted or by who, and that bothers me. I am not complaining about unpopularity. I think unpopular (or popular) ideas shouldn't be silently deleted by unknown people for unknown reasons. I think some moderator ought to check the history and see what happened (which is hopefully possible).

Deleting unpopular ideas is a much more common problem (bias) than deleting popular ideas. Both are bad though.

You guys, from your perspective, can regard it as something like "a critic posted some critical ideas. regular posters refuted his points in detailed argument". that's a great thing to keep a record of. if you see it that way, be proud or whatever. why delete it? i don't understand.

I can tell you it was deleted long enough after the discussion had ended that i was no longer checking for new comments. it wasn't deleted to shut the discussion up at the time. which makes it all the more mysterious. can anyone look up what happened?

Comment author: MugaSofer 10 July 2014 08:10:48PM *  2 points [-]

Unfortunately, it can be quite hard to find the right mod to ask about something, even if a mod sees it.

(That was the main reason the mass-downvoting thing was an issue until recently, if you heard about that at all.)

I agree. That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't know why or it was deleted or by who, and that bothers me. I am not complaining about unpopularity.

Oh, indeed. Just answering your question.