buybuydandavis comments on [moderator action] Eugine_Nier is now banned for mass downvote harassment - Less Wrong

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 07 July 2014 02:09:52AM *  2 points [-]

I could have sworn I quoted you talking about "evil, nasty reactionaries",

The sarcastic, not using my own voice tone didn't come through, even from the context? Did you genuinely think I was earnestly calling reactionaries evil? If not, this seems like a complete red herring.

this entire friggin' thread is about social wrongdoing by a member of those groups.

He's a member of LessWrong too. Is everyone here an asshole?

Two very different cases.

Eugine, at least by his own argument, was voting down people with a low rationality quotient. He has been widely condemned by all, including the evil reactionaries, and was banned.

daenerys called a lot of people on the list assholes based on them having opinions she disagreed with, and suggested they be banned for the same. She was widely upvoted.

cast any of those groups as entirely innocent

Generalizations are about general trends, and not absolute truths admitting of no exceptions.

Which side heaps abuse on the other, and suggests sanctions against the other? Which side defends their own? What's the broad trend?

You keep coming back to Eugine, but neither daenerys nor I were predominantly talking about Eugine.

Go to my previous comment in this thread. Currently, two downvotes for an accurate correction of your misrepresentation of her original statement. Do you want to further debate that point, or will you grant my reading? If so, isn't it odd that a couple of people on the list are downvoting a clearly accurate interpretation of the text that corrects a clearly inaccurate misinterpretation.

Upvotes for calling people assholes and suggesting they be banned for their beliefs, downvotes for accurate analysis. The voting seems to align better with ideology than truth, and is positive for one ideology, and negative for the other. Which is the trend I'm pointing out.

Comment author: MugaSofer 07 July 2014 07:13:36PM *  2 points [-]

daenerys called a lot of people on the list assholes based on them having opinions she disagreed with, and suggested they be banned for the same. She was widely upvoted.

Point of order: can you quote where they said being reactionary should be a banning offence? Because I don't see it.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 July 2014 07:18:01PM 1 point [-]

That's because it's not there.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 07 July 2014 09:14:31PM *  -2 points [-]

Personally, I'm glad Eugine is gone, because even without the downvoting he was an asshole. And having anti-feminist or biorealist assholes running around is a great way to drive off women and minorities.

Anyways, I prefer the walled garden, and the conversational tone, and the positive emotional support that Facebook provides, so I doubt I'll come back to posting here.

She prefers that "anti-feminist or biorealist assholes" aren't here, she prefers "a walled garden". Is that a literal statement of "I want the anti-feminist or biorealist assholes through over the wall and kept out"? No, but it's not too hard to do the math.

"Will no one rid me of these turbulent assholes?" (In case the reference is too obscure, see Saint Thomas of Canterbury for details.)

Comment author: MugaSofer 10 July 2014 07:56:20PM 3 points [-]

I get the reference. Not because I get references, as a rule, but because Blackadder used it :-)

I read that as saying that they were glad he was gone, but that it didn't matter much to them - because they had moved to the self-selected "garden" of one's Facebook feed.

But I suppose I can see how that might be read as an ideal for us to be aspiring to, now that you say it. Which ... is bad, yeah. Hmm.