MugaSofer comments on [moderator action] Eugine_Nier is now banned for mass downvote harassment - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MugaSofer 16 July 2014 10:45:21AM *  3 points [-]

No way you could have seen this comment when you wrote this, so here's a heads up - it turns out that's not how it was meant.

The emphasis was intended on "asshole", not "biorealist", if you see what I mean - "biorealist" is the reason it drives off "women and minorities" specifically, not the reason he was an asshole.

I do not think all biorealists or antifeminists are assholes. I thought EUGINE was an asshole. He was also a biorealist. So he was a biorealist asshole. I've already made a comment about that, but people keep saying that I said that anyways. And quoting only me saying "biorealist assholes". I DO think biorealists and anitfeminists have to be especially epistemically polite (and generally polite) if they want to have any chance of people actually engaging with their ideas.

As an example:

Christian asshole: Fred Phelps Christian not-an-asshole: Leah Libresco

Skeptic asshole: Penn Jilette Skeptic not-an-asshole: All the CFAR people

See how I consider "assholeness" as an unrelated trait to whether or not I agree with a viewpoint. If there were prolific skeptic assholes, they would drive off religious users. If there were prolific Christian assholes they would drive of skeptic and LGBTQ users.

Comment author: Lumifer 16 July 2014 02:40:45PM *  3 points [-]

The emphasis was intended on "asshole", not "biorealist"

Yes, but I get the impression that the assholiness threshold/criterion is different for biorealists and antifeminists on the one hand and SJWs on the other.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 17 July 2014 05:29:10AM *  1 point [-]

I just realized the non-asshole examples list didn't include an attempt of naming a non-asshole biorealist. Then started wondering how it would go if you tried giving examples of non-asshole biorealists or even assert the possibility of one existing on a SJ-friendly forum.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 16 July 2014 09:51:35PM *  0 points [-]

No way you could have seen this comment when you wrote this,

I did not. I had a lot of direct replies that were taking my attention.

so here's a heads up - it turns out that's not how it was meant.

That's an inference you might make from the available data. Perhaps it is even true.

I think that by the ordinary usage of the English language, my interpretation of the text is more consistent with what was written than the interpretation you quote. If you really want to hear my close textual analysis, I would oblige, but I don't see a lot of mileage in it.

(Penn Jillette an asshole? Really? To me, he seems incredibly gracious to others, often to the point of being overly deferential.)

Comment author: MugaSofer 09 August 2014 05:59:25PM *  1 point [-]

I did not. I had a lot of direct replies that were taking my attention.

Also, it was posted three days after you wrote your comment. I can see how that might present a bit of a challenge.

That's an inference you might make from the available data. Perhaps it is even true.

I think that by the ordinary usage of the English language, my interpretation of the text is more consistent with what was written than the interpretation you quote.

I was genuinely confused to see someone interpreting it another way, if that helps your analysis - the other interpretation hadn't occurred to me.

But yes, I suppose it's definitely possible they simply leaped on a convenient excuse.

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