Bongo comments on Expecting Short Inferential Distances - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Arandur 31 July 2011 09:41:27PM 4 points [-]

I think our disagreement stems from a fuzzy definition of the word "best". I believe that it is better to believe something for good (read: valid) reasons than to believe it for bad reasons, regardless of the truth value of the thing being believed. So yes, your suggestion may lead more Christians to toss their Christianity, but mine makes them more rational thinkers, which (under the assumption that their Christian beliefs are wrong, which assumption I decline to assign a truth value in this post) leads them to atheism as a side benefit.

Essentially, this is the question posed: Which is the greater sin, if Christianity is wrong? Christianity, or irrationality?

Comment author: wedrifid 31 July 2011 09:51:10PM 7 points [-]

So yes, your suggestion may lead more Christians to toss their Christianity, but mine makes them more rational thinkers

The same influences that make people toss Christianity are also what will influence people to become more rational. Leading people to lesswrong on average makes them scoff then add things to their stereotype cache.

Which is the greater sin, if Christianity is wrong?

If Christianity is wrong then I'd say neither. ;)

Comment author: Bongo 01 August 2011 10:37:14AM 0 points [-]

Leading people to lesswrong on average makes them scoff then add things to their stereotype cache.

This is probably because of the site design and not necessary.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 August 2011 07:26:31PM *  2 points [-]

Leading people to lesswrong on average makes them scoff then add things to their stereotype cache.

This is probably because of the site design and not necessary.

That no doubt makes a difference but my appeal was to universal human behavior. Exposure to new, unusual behaviours from a foreign tribe will most often invoke a rejection and tweaking of social/political positions rather than an object level epistemic update. Because that's what humans care about.

(This doesn't preclude directing interested parties to lesswrong or other sources of object level information. We must just allow that there will be an extremely low rate of updating.)