bramflakes comments on Time series forecasting for global temperature: an outside view of climate forecasting - Less Wrong
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First of all, there doesn't seem to have been a "global cooling trend" among scientists in the 1970s - if there was any kind of consensus, its that warming was more likely than cooling. (or I just misunderstood what you meant by "global cooling trend"?)
Second, for the lack of warming since 1998, isn't that already explained by El Niño cycles? It peaked in '98, and was one of the strongest ever recorded. It makes later data look less impressive by comparison. I haven't followed any of the links though so I don't know if this was taken into account in the "no warming since '98" stories.
Then again, if this wasn't predicted by folks at the time then it would count as evidence against the reliability of models. How much did we know about El Niño then?
Yes, 1998 was an unusually warm year due to the El Nino, and that would have made the next few years look less warm by comparison, but it's not enough to explain the 15 years since then with a fairly small rate of warming.
The pause in warming is actually a widely acknowledged issue and many papers have been published about it, see for instance http://fabiusmaximus.com/2014/01/17/climate-change-global-warming-62141/
Also, note that El Nino is a seasonal phenomenon. At the decadal level, the things that matter are probably PDO/AMO/solar activity, in addition to greenhouse gas forcing.
(There are some claims about some kind of relationship between El Nino frequency and PDO phase, but I wasn't really able to get a good understanding of the overall state of current research).
It's true that the scientific literature had already started moving in the direction of warming, but my understanding is that the popular/mainstream impression of the science (which was a few years behind) was still centered around global cooling. It was nowhere close to the level of agreement that we see on global warming today, but it was a relatively mainstream and apparently well-founded explanation of events then. The academic balance appears to have started shifting in the 1970s, and the balance in popular circles may have taken a few years to catch up.
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Pearce, Fred (2012-10-14). The Climate Files: The battle for the truth about global warming (Kindle Locations 428-472). . Kindle Edition.
I think this is emblematic how the story went. Kulka was a paleoclimatologist - he studied the cycles of ice ages, and was pointing out that we're overdue for an ice age. We might read something like "due now any time" and think "oh god let's stock the ice age shelter," but the scale of ice age cycles is tens of thousands of years - "any time" to a paleoclimatologist means "next thousand years maybe."
Any news stories forecasting an ice age within the lifetime of anyone alive were about as scientifically sound as the movie The Core was about the cycle of Earths' magnetic field.