EY didn't reject the Basilisk argument for being stupid, he rejected it for being dangerous...people were believing in it, and therefore taking it seriously.
When it comes to a political idea like Marxism labeling it as dangerous doesn't mean that one doesn't consider it stupid or wrong. Stupid is also not a good word to describe a complex argument that you consider to be wrong.
When it comes to Sokal, Sokal had no skills as being well educated in postmodernism. In his idea the postmodernists should have noticed that what he says doesn't make any sense. Roko on the other hand is smart and does have an understanding of the local memespace. Roko isn't stupid or ignorant of the ideas he was discussing.
Thinking about blackmail and how to structure a decision theory to avoid being subject to blackmail is also not a worthless endeavor.
The following two paragraphs got me thinking some rather uncomfortable thoughts about our community's insularity:
- Chip Morningstar, "How to Deconstruct Almost Anything: My Postmodern Adventure"
The LW/MIRI/CFAR memeplex shares some important features with postmodernism, namely the strong tendency to go meta, a large amount of jargon that is often impenetrable to outsiders and the lack of an immediate need to justify itself to them. This combination takes away the selective pressure that stops most groups from going totally crazy. As far as I can tell, we have not fallen into this trap, but since people tend to fail to notice when their in-group has gone crazy, this is at best weak evidence that we haven't; furthermore, even assuming that we are in fact perfectly sane now, it will still take effort to maintain that state.
Based on the paragraphs quoted above, having to use our ideas to produce something that outsiders would value, or at least explain them in ways that intelligent outsiders can understand well enough to criticize would create this sort of pressure. Has anyone here tried to do either of these to a significant degree? If so, how, and how successfully?
What other approaches can we take to check (and defend) our collective sanity?