With respect to the point that two organizations CAN be similar except in doctrine, I agree, but I don't think that's true for Less Wrong and postmodernism, hence my comment. I was directly addressing the points of comparison the poster argued for.
If you are speaking of Objectivism the organization led by Ayn Rand rather than Objectivism the collective philosophy of Ayn Rand, the differences are pretty massive. Objectivism was a bona fide cult of personality, while the vast majority of people on Less Wrong have never met Eliezer and he no longer even engages with the site. Watch the first part of this interview and compare it with Less Wrong. Perhaps this could be argued specifically of the rationalists living in the Bay Area, but I don't know enough to say.
The article on rationalwiki has been updated and now seems substantially fairer than it was when I last saw it a few years ago. It doesn't draw any direct comparison to Objectivism, and now says that the "appearance of a cult has faded." That said, I don't put much stock in their opinions on such things.
It doesn't seem to me that people on Less Wrong merely place lip service on outreach (although once again we are certainly in agreement that such a thing is possible!). There seem to be a lot of posts on meetups here, advice on how to get new attendees, etc. Making "changes and sacrifices needed for real engagement" isn't straightforward in practice (and engagement isn't an unqualified good). You have to draw new members without betraying your core principles and without it becoming a place the existing members don't want to participate in.
Objectivism did and does have plenty of adherents who never met Rand. Personal contact isn't a prerequisite for a personality cult.
The following two paragraphs got me thinking some rather uncomfortable thoughts about our community's insularity:
- Chip Morningstar, "How to Deconstruct Almost Anything: My Postmodern Adventure"
The LW/MIRI/CFAR memeplex shares some important features with postmodernism, namely the strong tendency to go meta, a large amount of jargon that is often impenetrable to outsiders and the lack of an immediate need to justify itself to them. This combination takes away the selective pressure that stops most groups from going totally crazy. As far as I can tell, we have not fallen into this trap, but since people tend to fail to notice when their in-group has gone crazy, this is at best weak evidence that we haven't; furthermore, even assuming that we are in fact perfectly sane now, it will still take effort to maintain that state.
Based on the paragraphs quoted above, having to use our ideas to produce something that outsiders would value, or at least explain them in ways that intelligent outsiders can understand well enough to criticize would create this sort of pressure. Has anyone here tried to do either of these to a significant degree? If so, how, and how successfully?
What other approaches can we take to check (and defend) our collective sanity?