Vulture comments on Recent updates to gwern.net (2013-2014) - Less Wrong

26 Post author: gwern 08 July 2014 01:44AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (31)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: private_messaging 24 September 2014 06:25:33PM 1 point [-]

My crowd is very different from most people's, so I prefer not to generalize from it and instead focus on surveys when I want to know whether stimulant use is widespread particularly among high-performers.

Well, what's "widespread" in your book, 10% ?

Comment author: gwern 25 September 2014 03:52:46PM 0 points [-]

For an illegal, expensive, and according to many people immoral, practice, I'd say >10% is widespread, yes.

Comment author: private_messaging 25 September 2014 04:45:30PM 2 points [-]

Dunno if legality even has much an impact. Many things are a lot less illegal in some places, you know, without dramatic increases in use. Expensive, like, for high performers? Are we talking again of the college students, hung over and sleep deprived due to partying all night, taking stimulants?

Comment author: gwern 20 January 2015 03:40:37AM 3 points [-]

Many things are a lot less illegal in some places, you know, without dramatic increases in use.

Those other things are in different circumstances and are other things. In general, making something illegal is... probably going to reduce how many people do it. Odd, I know. (If modafinil had been invented 200 years ago and had never been regulated, its usage in the general population would probably be similar to caffeine and nicotine, which is a much higher figure than its actual current usage.)

Expensive, like, for high performers?

Prescription modafinil is something like $300 a month or $3.6k a year. It's worth it, especially for high performers in the highest-wage countries in the world like the USA, but it's still a nontrivial financial expense on top of the reputational problems, unease with the concept, and worries about the legal risk and unknown unknowns.