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Comment author: mwengler 10 July 2014 06:22:05AM 2 points [-]

$0.2B annually. That's a lot of money

What, that's close to nothing! $0.03 per person per year.

And the effect is even smaller than that. Higher sea level pushes the atmosphere up as well, which means we are improving land at higher elevations by having more air on it. This will reduce the net loss of valuable land.

Comment author: gjm 10 July 2014 07:56:41AM 1 point [-]

What, that's close to nothing!

If the most effective charities can save a life for $2k, that's enough to save 100k lives/year. But of course there are plenty of other things it's small in comparison to; I mentioned a couple of relevant ones.

improving land at higher elevations

I think this is likely to be a much smaller effect. The great majority of land is no more than ~1000m above sea level.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 July 2014 02:01:03PM *  0 points [-]

If the most effective charities can save a life for $2k, that's enough to save 100k lives/year.

The most effective charities can save a life for $2k today (where by “today” I mean ‘a couple years ago’) because there's lots of low-hanging fruit, but I doubt this will continue to apply much longer.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 16 July 2014 07:10:17PM 0 points [-]

Higher sea level from ice falling into the water results in the air being lowered since the ice became denser in the process.

Comment author: mwengler 17 July 2014 05:49:30AM *  0 points [-]

Clever, yes. However, it also comes with the opening up of relatively low lands that were previously covered by ice. AND, I have read that a significant fraction of sea level rise is due to the ocean water expanding since slightly warmer water is not as dense as slightly cooler water, which would serve to push the atmosphere up.

I think if you totted it all up, you would see a small loss of value in the land area available, but much smaller loss in value than in land area lost. That is, the remaining land would have higher value per hectare on average for a few reasons.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 17 July 2014 07:37:12PM 3 points [-]

I have read that a significant fraction of sea level rise is due to the ocean water expanding since slightly warmer water is not as dense as slightly cooler water, which would serve to push the atmosphere up.

The air is warming too, and the expansion of the air will make it less dense, which utterly swamps the effect from the expansion of the water.

That is, the remaining land would have higher value per hectare on average for a few reasons.

Really? I see that the other way around.

Beaches are valuable, and it will take a lot of time or money to make them at their new sites.

Estuaries provide a lot of ecological services and are basically flat. Having them be at the wrong depth will screw up those services.

Many cities (concentrated value) are right down on the water, and it will be muy expensive to save them and enough of their outlying areas that they remain convenient (which was a large part of why they were cities in the first place).